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Date:      Thu, 11 Feb 2021 10:24:22 -0800
From:      Cameron Berkenpas <cam@neo-zeon.de>
To:        freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: how many users of FreeBSD 12 do we have on powerpc?
Message-ID:  <d872ddc8-5366-4e8d-dd8f-5a9c872cbfad@neo-zeon.de>
In-Reply-To: <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com>
References:  <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com>

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I have 2 server's (kvm instances) running on POWER9 that I will upgrade 
to 13.0-RELEASE as soon as it's released. I know you asked about 12, but 
maybe this data point is still useful.

I have 2 FreeBSD 13 VM's across 2 physical POWER9 hosts (so 1 VM per 
host) that I've been using to follow the development of 13. Other than 
the occasional hiccup, 13 seems quite a bit a bit better than 12.2 on 
POWER especially after the switch from gcc to llvm settled down.

On 2/10/21 2:39 PM, Mark Linimon wrote:
> So I want to get an idea if we can start trying to move FreeBSD/powerpc*
> users from 12.X to 13.0 once 13.0 is released.
>
> The problem is that we have limitations on:
>
>   - hardware resources w/rt building ports on 3 branches
>
>   - human resources trying to support 3 branches
>
> The powerpc ports team (the entire handful of us) is talking about
> dropping ports building for 12-STABLE in favor of starting to build
> 14-CURRENT.
>
> How many people will this affect if we do so?
>
> fwiw, I personally believe 13.0 will be a complete superset except for:
>
>   - ports that fail due to duplicate_symbol
>
> and all of those are problems shared with even amd64.
>
> (Also, I personally believe that it is fair to say "we do not really
> support powerpc* on 10.X or 11.Y.  Please upgrade.")
>
> How many people will these changes effect?  It's time to speak up ...
>
> mcl
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