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Date:      Wed, 02 Sep 2020 12:50:21 -0600
From:      Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>
To:        Dan Langille <dan@langille.org>, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>, Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>
Cc:        FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Plans for git (was: Please check the current beta git conversions)
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On Wed, 2020-09-02 at 14:45 -0400, Dan Langille wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Ian Lepore wrote:
> 
> > Seriously, Warner?
> 
> Yes, seriously. We are adults.  Act accordingly.
> 
> Don't be confused. I also thought the message he was replying to was out of line.
> 
> > I applaud Steve's message as being the first one in this thread that
> > has any real value at all.  Unlike everyone else, he has clearly seen
> > what the basic problem is (zero communications about this impending
> > cutover to the people who need to work with it every day), and he
> > summarized it in a completely practical way.
> 
> We disagree.  The message could have been worded without being negative.
> 
> > This assumption that everyone knows how to use git is mind-boggling.  I
> > think I installed it once, a few years ago.  Then I uninstalled it
> > because of how abysmally hard it was to try to learn even a few
> > commands to do anything with it.
> 
> No, it's assumed you will learn. I did. We all can.
> 
> Please, we cooperate on this project. We don't attack, and yes, these were attacks. 
> 
> > I guess Steve & I are a couple dinosaurs and the whole rest of the
> > freebsd user and committer community is laughing at our ignorance and
> > thinking "we don't need their contributions anyway, so let's just mock
> > them and move on."
> 
> I don't think so. I'm guessing I'm older and more set in my ways.
> 
> There are much better ways to communicate that in recent messages.
> 

How typical:  trim away ALL context of what's being discussed, then
claim that the material was offensive in some way after destroying the
contextual evidence that makes a lie of your claim.

-- Ian




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