Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2022 19:11:45 +0100 From: Graham Perrin <grahamperrin@freebsd.org> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg upgrade vs building from source Message-ID: <e4544587-50bb-55e8-3284-58a76b3a69f7@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <CAMtcK2rPSxd0DignXvzw%2BnNc1U1iYpBjGpN%2BtqA4zevUO4qkQA@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAMtcK2rPSxd0DignXvzw%2BnNc1U1iYpBjGpN%2BtqA4zevUO4qkQA@mail.gmail.com>
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 08/10/2022 16:35, paul beard wrote:=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">My skepticism over pkg doing what I expect grows
after recent events. I decided after I rebuilt this freebsd
instance that I would say goodbye to installing from source and
allow pkg to manage it all. Surely by now, it's mature enough to
handle it. <br>
<br>
Reader, it is not.=C2=A0
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I allowed it to upgrade postfix the other day and
discovered that it no longer worked; <br>
Oct =C2=A08 03:15:16 <mail.warn> www postfix/smtp[65148]:=
warning: unsupported SASL client implementation: cyrus<br>
Oct =C2=A08 03:15:16 <mail.crit> www postfix/smtp[65148]:=
fatal: SASL library initialization<br>
Oct =C2=A08 03:15:17 <mail.warn> www postfix/master[1157]=
:
warning: process /usr/local/libexec/postfix/smtp pid 65148
exit status 1<br>
Oct =C2=A08 03:15:17 <mail.warn> www postfix/master[1157]=
:
warning: /usr/local/libexec/postfix/smtp: bad command startup
-- throttling
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I went to the port directory and did a
deinstall/reinstall and all is well. Postfix flush cleared
out the test emails I had queued up and no errors in
maillog. No changes to teh configuration files, it just
worked properly after a proper install.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I can obviously=C2=A0issue pkg lock against=C2=A0postfix t=
o ensure
it's left alone but I have to wonder how many other ports
are similarly not ready for prime time after pkg gets
involved? One of the reasons I tried freebsd, all the way
back to release 4.11, is that rpm in the linux world was a
massive pile of inconsistency. The ports system was so
coherent and well managed: I preferred the cathedral to the
bazaar, as a book of the period described that time.=C2=A0</d=
iv>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I suppose not trusting pkg with ports you rely on seems
reasonable but with dependencies and whatnot, how to decide?
Should pkg include some more robust testing to ensure
services are actually running after upgrade? I don't know if
it could but I suppose the maintainer could devise some
tests, looking at logfiles=C2=A0or whatnot.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>All in all, not how I expected to spend a half hour on
Saturday morning. How do other people manage this?=C2=A0</div=
>
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<div><br>
--<br>
Paul Beard / <a href=3D"http://www.paulbeard.org/"
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">www.paulbeard.org/</a></div>
</div>
</div>
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<p><br>
</p>
<p>Which version of FreeBSD, exactly? <br>
</p>
<p>Packages from latest, or quarterly? <br>
</p>
<p>freebsd-version -kru ; uname -aKU</p>
<p>pkg -vv | grep -e url -e enabled -e priority<br>
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