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On 4/17/23 12:34, Paul Pathiakis wrote: > Personally, I haven't see it yet. Again, I hated getting a CS degree. It was hell on wheels and kept running me over. The incredible amount of math, automata theory, etc, etc. > Then, I got out in the 'real world'. I was thoroughly shocked at how people casually threw aside critical thinking, design, implementation, project planning, software engineering paradigms, and started to 'program' 10 years after I got out. I have a Masters in CS, and an uncompleted Ph.D. (I guess that makes me a college dropout.) Both were in the strongly theoretical end of CS, with a focus on computational theory, as well as the design of computer languages. I have found the theory to be very useful in understanding problems and reasoning about how algorithms and data structures and so forth can foster better design. As you suggest, these encourage critical thinking. What you see today is people screaming for "agile" when you ask for time to do careful requirements gathering. Young "coders" come out of bootcamps that teach them one language and an IDE with absolutely no understanding of the overatching environments in which they are coding, let along a firm grasp of algorithmics and data structures. I feel I am far afield and showing too many Boomer feathers. "In my day, we didn't have 1s and 0s, we had Ohs and Ells and we LIKED it .."
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