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Date:      Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:47:57 -0700
From:      Seth Leigh <seth@pengar.com>
To:        freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Cc:        lepreau@cs.utah.edu
Subject:   Not so sinister.  Was:(Re: Attempt to relicense BSD code under the GPL)
Message-ID:  <l03110705b2ca7fabd912@[192.168.0.2]>

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Hey, guys, let's simmer down a little.

I just talked to Jay Lepreau over email about this.  He is the guy whom
Brett Glass mentioned should be emailed about this.

Apparently there has been a misunderstanding.  In fact, Jay just emailed me
saying that he had reread his license page, and now understands where we
are coming from.  He said he will add some info to clarify this to the
license page.  Only the stuff that THEY have done (THEY = the U of Utah CS
folks whose project web page we are talking about) is under the GPL.  They
are not attempting to relicense stuff they have used from other,
BSD-licensed sources.  The original licenses for those individual
components still apply.  However, Jay told me that as their project is a
whole source code framework, and the code that they have written themselves
is GPLed, then someone will have a hard time using their whole framework
without the final work being under GPL.  If you wanted to write a project
that only included those components the Utah guys are using that are under
BSD license, for example, you could do it and not be GPL, but what would be
the point, as you could get those BSD-licensed components from other
sources.  It's only if you want to use their whole framework that you get
stuck with the GPL.  Since this framework is their own project, they have
the right to impose whatever license they choose for it.

This isn't to say I agree with them using the GPL.  I am no expert on the
subject, but I will frankly admit that the whole GPL thing leaves an uneasy
feeling in my stomach.  I am a programmer, I have a pretty decent standard
of living, and I think that probably all or most of the companies I have
worked for could not have paid me the money I have earned if their products
were all bound by the GPL.

However, this whole controversy of "Attempt to relicense BSD code under the
GPL" is nothing but a big misunderstanding.

Which leads me to my last point.  When I emailed Jay Lepreau, I tried to
come across as wanting an answer, but not to attack him, flame him, or
anything else.  He replied that mine was one of the few polite emails on
this subject, implying that he had received a lot more total flame letters.
That's shameful, and I hope that none on this list were involved.  The last
thing FreeBSD needs is a bunch of people thinking we are nothing but a
bunch of asshole zealots.  Please, there are enough asshole zealots out
there, let's not let the whole world think FreeBSD fans are among them.
Plus, now that the truth about this "controversy" is known, don't you feel
just a little bit foolish for the flame emails ?

Seth Leigh



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