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Date:      Sun, 9 Mar 2003 22:06:59 -0500
From:      Chris Pepper <pepper@reppep.com>
To:        Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        Murray Stokely <murray@FreeBSD.ORG>, jared nied <jnied@southampton.liu.edu>, doc@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: OS X vs. Darwin
Message-ID:  <p06000a16ba9192440374@[66.92.104.201]>
In-Reply-To: <20030309220048.GD38342@wantadilla.lemis.com>
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	They're not quite identical, but extremely close. Basically, 
Mac OS X is Darwin + proprietary bits (Quartz, Carbon, Cocoa, 
QuickTime, various encumbered drivers, etc.).

	More detail is available at 
<http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2001/12/21/darwin.html>; ("A 
Brief Review of the State of Darwin") and 
<http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/darwin/faq.html>; (Q2).

	For the patch, it should be "Mac OS X", not  "MacOS X".


						Chris Pepper

At 8:30 AM +1030 2003/03/10, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>On Saturday,  8 March 2003 at  4:39:37 -0800, Murray Stokely wrote:
>>  On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 07:50:27AM -0500, jared nied wrote:
>>>  You say in 'Explaining BSD' that OS X is a closed-source BSD, with only
>>>  the kernel open-sourced. Darwin is an entirely functional BSD OS for
>>>  x86 and PPCs
>>  ..
>>
>>  How about this diff?  Greg?
>
>Hmm.  I'll leave it for others to decide, but my understanding is that
>Darwin and the lower levels of Mac OS X are *not* identical, that you
>can't replace one with the other for example.  Is this correct?  If
>so, the text below as it stands is incorrect.
>
>Greg
>
>>  Index: article.sgml
>>  ===================================================================
>>  RCS file: /a/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/explaining-bsd/article.sgml,v
>>  retrieving revision 1.6
>>  diff -u -r1.6 article.sgml
>>  --- article.sgml	23 Oct 2001 21:31:18 -0000	1.6
>>  +++ article.sgml	8 Mar 2003 12:38:50 -0000
>>  @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
>>  -<!-- $FreeBSD$ -->
>>  +<!-- $FreeBSD: 
>>doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/explaining-bsd/article.sgml,v 1.6 
>>2001/10/23 21:31:18 murray Exp $ -->
>>   <!-- The FreeBSD Documentation Project -->
>>
>>   <!DOCTYPE article PUBLIC "-//FreeBSD//DTD DocBook V4.1-Based 
>>Extension//EN" [
>>  @@ -437,9 +437,15 @@
>> 	  <para><ulink url="http://www.apple.com/macosx/server/">Mac OS
>> 	      X</ulink> is the latest version of the operating system for
>> 	    <ulink url="http://www.apple.com/">Apple Computer Inc.'s</ulink>
>>  -	      Macintosh line.  Unlike the rest of the operating system, the
>>  -	      kernel is open source.  As part of this development, key Apple
>>  -	      developers have commit access to the FreeBSD source tree.</para>
>>  +	      Macintosh line.  The BSD Unix core of this operating
>>  +	      system, <ulink
>>  +	      url="http://developer.apple.com/darwin/">Darwin</ulink>,
>>  +	      is available as a fully functional open source operating
>>  +	      system for x86 and PPC computers.  The Aqua/Quartz
>>  +	      graphics system and many other proprietary aspects of
>>  +	      MacOS X remain closed-source, however.  Several Darwin
>>  +	      developers are also FreeBSD committers, and
>>  +	      vice-versa.</para>
>> 	</listitem>
>>         </itemizedlist>
>>       </sect2>
>>
>
>
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