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Date:      Sun, 2 May 1999 14:19:30 -0500 (EST)
From:      Alfred Perlstein <bright@rush.net>
To:        Rahul Siddharthan <rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in>
Cc:        Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl>, Kris Kennaway <kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Some thoughts on advocacy (was: Slashdot ftp.cdrom.com upgrade article)
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.96.990502141012.7628e-100000@cygnus.rush.net>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905022238040.7397-100000@theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in>

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On Sun, 2 May 1999, Rahul Siddharthan wrote:

> > > There's an article about the recent upgrade of ftp.cdrom.com on Slashdot
> > > at http://slashdot.org/articles/99/05/01/0630216.shtml - interesting
> > 
> > Yeah, there are a number of people who are willing to try FreeBSD for their
> > own high powered servers.
> > 
> > That's a Good Thing(tm) IMHO =)
> 
> I'm new on this list, and have only used FreeBSD for around 3
> months. I was and still am a heavy linux user, but I am very
> impressed by FreeBSD and do my bit these days to encourage others
> to try it out. (I'm an ordinary user, not a hacker, though I do 
> some administration.)

Welcome aboard.

> The way to get people to try out FreeBSD is to bring out more
> such stories, and it seems to me that sites like slashdot and
> linuxtoday publish quite a lot of *BSD stuff. The sniping I see
> on this list about "linux weenies bashing BSD on Slashdot" seems
> quite misplaced -- it's true of both sides and most people
> ignore it.

Although this list is archived for public viewing, it is a forum
for rabid FreeBSD fans such as myself.  Things said here should sometimes
be taken with quite a grain of salt.

> There are two ways you will *not* succeed in converting linux
> users: 
> (a) by bashing linux. Most linux users are perfectly happy with
> the stability, usability, performance etc of their systems, and
> will not switch merely because linux can't run ftp.cdrom.com --
> they don't need that kind of power anyway. If you tell people 
> that FreeBSD is a great system, for these reasons, they will
> listen. If you merely tell them linux is a lousy system, they
> will not -- because they know it isn't.
> (b) by bashing the GPL. There was a businessweek article which
> observed that the GPL has never really been tested in the courts;
> by no means can it be construed as an anti-GPL article (it calls 
> it "innovative", "effective", etc), but a response on this list
> chose to lambast the GPL as "obnoxious" etc, which is quite
> uncalled for. Linux users may be persuaded of FreeBSD's
> superiority in some things, but if they are asked to choose on
> the basis of licence, most of them will stick with linux...
> This is not the time to get into a rebuttal of that letter (which
> definitely I would call "obnoxious", a term I would use neither
> for the GPL nor for any other licence). GPL haters can rm -rf
> /usr/src/gnu and try rebuilding their system... (And why are so
> many businesses jumping on the "business-unfriendly" Linux/GNU
> bandwagon?)

GPL + Linux mention == publicity, nuff said...  

Although I must say that SCO's CEO's blatant flames against
Linux & GNU look more like a desperate PR tactic, I hope he falls
on his arrogant face.

> Of course, this list would express a lot of extreme opinions
> which will not make it out into the real world. Unfortunately,
> many of them do, and it makes the FreeBSD crowd sound like a
> bunch of whining losers -- which, in technical terms, they
> definitely are not. Grow up, advocates.

http://www.jwz.org/why-cooperation-with-rms-is-impossible.au

*shudder*

-Alfred



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