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Date:      Mon, 3 Jan 2011 10:41:40 -0800
From:      Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com>
To:        Anonymous <swell.k@gmail.com>
Cc:        Kostik Belousov <kostikbel@gmail.com>, Matthias Andree <matthias.andree@gmx.de>, =?utf-8?Q?Edward_Tomasz_Napiera=C5=82a?= <trasz@FreeBSD.org>, "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: No human readable message with g_vfs
Message-ID:  <00F09384-B3B3-44D2-9C93-029ED7BBB4EE@gmail.com>
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On Jan 3, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Anonymous wrote:

> Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com> writes:
>=20
>> On Jan 3, 2011, at 8:33 AM, Edward Tomasz Napiera=C5=82a =
<trasz@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
>>=20
>>> Wiadomo=C5=9B=C4=87 napisana przez Kostik Belousov w dniu =
2011-01-03, o godz. 15:18:
>>>> On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 02:16:37PM +0100, Matthias Andree wrote:
>>>>> Am 03.01.2011 14:14, schrieb Ivan Voras:
>>>>>> On 12/29/10 11:32, David Demelier wrote:
>>>>>>> /var/log/messages.5.bz2:Nov 29 16:36:52 Abricot kernel:
>>>>>>> g_vfs_done():ufs/public[READ(offset=3D232718991360, =
length=3D131072)]error
>>>>>>> =3D 5
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> I think for a lambda user these are absolutely not =
understandable. I
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Would a better message be "WRITE error on da0, offset=3D34590720.
>>>>>> length=3D65536, errno=3D5"?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> nah, strerror(errno) isn't that much of an effort
>>>> In kernel ? There is no strerror, and there is no great need to =
import the
>>>> sys_errlist.
>>>=20
>>> I had code that adds strerror() to the kernel in one of my old p4 =
branches.
>>> Error messages like the one above look much better this way, but I =
didn't
>>> have time to push it into the tree, and there is a risk of yet =
another i18n
>>> discussion.  If someone is interested - let me know; I'll try to =
find it.
>>=20
>> Some thoughts:
>> - It's a pain to parse (before I just had to scan for an int -- now =
it's a string?!?)
>> - It slows down printing (slow kernel -> dog slow system).
>> - Fills up logs quicker if a subsystem or piece of hardware is going
>> south and these messages slam syslog, which means I have to scan more
>> logs looking for useful data, the likelihood of messages being lost =
in
>> various buffers is higher, etc.
>>=20
>> Why not just provide a more standard sensical printout for the
>> messages and provide a secret decoder ring in userland or something
>=20
> Do you mean perror(1)?
>=20
>  $ perror 5
>  Input/output error

Heh -- didn't realize that someone made a userland app for that libcall =
already :D... You learn new things everyday I guess :).

In that case IMO nothing needs to be done minus (if you're interested) =
creating a parser that data mines stuff to make it more human readable =
in a common format, i.e.

error: 5 (Input/output error)
<subsystem specific information does here>

that would make life when reporting PRs or issues on the list a lot more =
uniform and easier to follow, and could apply to several utilities =
(atacontrol, camcontrol, etc). My company has a similar in-house tool =
that does that, but it's not necessarily the easiest tool to deal with =
nor the most correct when it comes to some issues in FreeBSD.

>> for interested parties the don't know that error is an errno value =
(eg
>> my mom and dad because they're unix illiterate), or just copyout all
>> of the error data via an ioctl, print out the ioctl failures, and =
skip
>> the kernel level printing altogether?

Thanks!
-Garrett=



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