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Date:      Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:58:58 -0600
From:      Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>
To:        John-Mark Gurney <gurney_j@resnet.uoregon.edu>
Cc:        Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>, questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: 4.2-R installer bombs because I can't turn UDMA off...
Message-ID:  <15025.43938.664103.581604@guru.mired.org>
In-Reply-To: <20010315215321.24862@hydrogen.funkthat.com>
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John-Mark Gurney <gurney_j@efn.org> types:
> Mike Meyer scribbled this message on Mar 15:
> > > that's a good option if the fixit.flp contained a copy of sysctl, but
> > > it doesn't, so it's quite hard when you don't have a copy of sysctl,
> > > I guess I *COULD* manually mount the cdrom, and extract out sysctl
> > > from the bin dist, but how the hell is Joe Newbie suppose to know how
> > > to do all of this??  
> > 
> > Um - if you can mount the CDROM, you should be able to get to the
> > fixit cdrom as easily as you get to the fixit floppy.
> 
> ummm... who said I had the fixit cdrom??  I only have the first cdrom
> thanks to a friend (Thanks Doug White! :) ), and even if the second
> cdrom is avail, there is no way I'm downloading a 600meg+ iso image
> over a 28.8kbps Ricochet..
> 
> > And yes, it'd be a lot easier if we could get hardware vendors to
> > install FreeBSD instead of Windows, but I wouldn't hold your breath.
> ummm.. who said anything about having hardware vendors loading FreeBSD?
> it wouldn't of helped in this case as I built the machine myself...

You mentioned newbies. That's how newbies get their OS installed - it
comes with the machine.

People with the gumption to try something else aren't newbies. They
have to face a bit of adversity, and dealing with hardware that
requires a bit of tweaking of the software is part of that. The
hardware manufacturer deals with that for newbies.

The fixit CDROM carries a compilation copyright. You can't legally get
it without buying a distribution, or having someone give you one of
the originals.

	<mike
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