Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:35:52 -0700 From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group <cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca> To: Andreas Klemm <andreas@klemm.gtn.com> Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group <cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca>, Matthew Cashdollar <mattc@rfcnet.com>, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bind 8 or 4 ? Message-ID: <199806112136.OAA16898@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:51:38 %2B0200." <19980610205138.A6701@klemm.gtn.com>
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> On Wed, Jun 10, 1998 at 08:20:17AM -0700, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Gro
up wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jun 04, 1998 at 10:37:24AM -0500, Matthew Cashdollar wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is stable going to be moving to bind 8? I am currently using 4 and
> > > > would like to upgrade, but if it is going to be in the base system
> > > > I'd rather wait instead of installing the port.
> > >
> > > I think FreeBSD-STABLE will stay at bind4.
> > >
> > > But where is the problem to use the bind8 port ?
> >
> > I installed it on one of my home machines to "experience" BIND 8, as
> > I'm pondering doing the same at work. The upgrade was trivial.
>
> Ok, fine then for you.
>
> > If BIND 8 was used in -stable, this would cause much of the same grief
> > that we've just experienced with the latest round of changes that
> > affected config and the previous changes to compatibility slices,
> > because of the varying degrees of experience of people administering
> > FreeBSD sites. I think that this type of upgrade should be left until
> > 3.0 comes out.
>
> Ok, but what do you whish ? I understood your question as asking
> for bind8 in stable....
Leave -stable alone and introduce BIND 8 in -current.
>
> > Even then a sysinstall should ask a question like "do
> > you wish to upgrade to BIND 8?",
> > then install the port and run the Perl script to convert
> > any BIND 4 named.boot files to BIND 8 named.conf
> > files.
>
> If you use systinstall to install a system, then usually you
> have a *fresh* installation, why do you need a conversion script
> then ?
Sysinstall can be used for *upgrade* installs too!
>
> > Then in 3.1 make BIND 8 the default. This should give everyone
> > plenty of warning (though some may still not heed the warning and
> > complain, but I guess that's life).
>
> I think bind8 should not wait too long, since everybody in the
> ISP business needs it because of security and advantages (to bind
> it on one ethernet interface). Many people told positive results,
> so why wait in -current ? And if it turns out to be stable, then
> merge it in...
If it is to be merged into -stable there needs to be an upgrade script
and the option for administrators to choose to use BIND 4. The Perl
script that comes with BIND 8 isn't smart enough to recognize include
files and process them as well. Also, the Perl script may get the
conversion wrong so it still needs to be eyeballed.
On the other hand (taking the devil's advocate role and talking myself
out of my position) any company or organization using a UNIX system
without enough expertise should be hiring a contractor to do it right.
Both opinions have valid points. It depends on what our priorities are.
Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437
Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766
Open Systems Group Internet: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca
ITSD Cy.Schubert@gems8.gov.bc.ca
Government of BC
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