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Date:      Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:02:51 +0000
From:      Scott Mitchell <scott@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>
To:        Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>
Cc:        Annelise Anderson <andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu>, Phillip Salzman <psalzman@gamefish.pcola.gulf.net>, Open Systems Networking <opsys@mail.webspan.net>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: X desktop contest? + Desktop Env
Message-ID:  <19981110100251.D11520@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>
In-Reply-To: <19981110084727.55542@welearn.com.au>; from Sue Blake on Tue, Nov 10, 1998 at 08:47:27AM %2B1100
References:  <Pine.BSF.3.96.981109094722.19667A-100000@andrsn.stanford.edu> <7819.910633456@time.cdrom.com> <19981110084727.55542@welearn.com.au>

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On Tue, Nov 10, 1998 at 08:47:27AM +1100, Sue Blake wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 09, 1998 at 09:44:16AM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > 
> > > It is astonishing to me that FreeBSD continues to ship with a two
> > > default shells that are not good for interactive use and an out-of-date
> > > window manager, and remains relatively difficult to get up and running
> > > in critical areas, specifically graphics, printing, sound, and communica-
> > > tions.
> > 
> > Not so astonishing - it's quite clear by these results that the number
> > of people who actually CARE about this must be very small indeed.
> 
> To be more precise, the number of people who both care and know how
> to do something about it must be very small indeed.
> 
> It is equally possible that these groups are both large, but do not
> overlap. The results indicate nothing about the total number of people
> who care.
> 
> The most helpless users probably care most, and are seen least.
> Give them more little ways to contribute without making it their life's
> work, then those who can-do will see better reasons for improving on
> these feeble attempts. I can't see how it could work any other way and
> be sustainable.

Absolutely -- the people most in need of an easy-to-drive desktop are
probably, in the main, those least able to fix it for themselves.  OTOH,
*my* desktop suits me just fine, but scares the life out of other
(experienced) people if they ever try to use it -- why is why I didn't
bother submitting it.

Slightly heretical perhaps, but if all we want is something easy-to-use
that's installed by default, why not just borrow the stuff from RedHat
(replacing all the guy-in-hat icons with daemons, of course).  That would
at least be a starting point for our own 'look'.  The point'n'drool
configuration tools are another matter.

	Scott.

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