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Date:      Tue, 20 Jun 2017 13:11:37 +0200
From:      Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Jeremie Le Hen <jlh@freebsd.org>
Cc:        freebsd-arch@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: rtools were deemed almost unused 15 years ago...
Message-ID:  <20170620111136.fz5ovfa4imm3p4hj@ivaldir.net>
In-Reply-To: <CAGSa5y3kVajpSSJUT9Vt0-dTwtaXMwNWvv_ELH14z68osM0UYA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 12:25:46PM +0200, Jeremie Le Hen wrote:
> Hey folks,
>=20
> I remember when I was still barely out of my teenagehood, people were
> mostly using ssh/scp while rtools (rsh, rlogin, ... for the
> youngsters) were left in place as a courtesy for legacy production
> systems still relying it on them.
>=20
> Fast forward to 2017 (so yes, 15 years later), stack-clash [1] sorely
> reminds us that suid binaries are an attack surface. I don't even need
> to mention that it's a healthy engineering practice to remove unused
> code, both from a maintenance and security perspective.
>=20
> Therefore, I hereby propose to remove rtools from the base system.  I
> acknowledge this will likely cause troubles for a handful of people
> who are still relying on it for good or bad reasons. But the flipside
> is that the attack surface of millions of FreeBSD installed out there
> will be reduced.
>=20
> The proposed roadmap is:
> - disable from the build on head and let it soak for one month
> - remove rtools from the base.
>=20
> What do you guys think?  Any preferred color for the bikeshed? :)
>=20
>=20
>=20
> [1] https://www.qualys.com/2017/06/19/stack-clash/stack-clash.txt

Yeah!

Is telnetd part of your list?

Best regards,
Bapt

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