Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 15:45:56 +0300 From: dan_partelly <dan_partelly@rdsor.ro> To: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Cc: Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org>, <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) Message-ID: <79117ce18bd3332c7df3e55e12a161b4@rdsor.ro> In-Reply-To: <571765BB.3050908@quip.cz> References: <E1asbZj-0003Ra-Qs@rmm6prod02.runbox.com> <76093.1461096570@critter.freebsd.dk> <5716AD65.8070007@shrew.net> <BF66EA01-E073-45F0-8F9E-22D57E8871B0@bsdimp.com> <5716FA70.4080604@freebsd.org> <571765BB.3050908@quip.cz>
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> If these informations were more public I think there will be less > annoyed posts in mailinglist and more constructive critics / ideas / > patches. > And there other issues arising from the lack of communication: How exactly bugs / incomplete features are treated in FreeBSD ? Many times the public gets the impression that save for the show-stopper bugs, or bugs which affect the employers of FreeBSD developers, they don't get too much priority. If any. I talked before about VIMAGE and the bugs surrounding it. Some of those bugs are there for years. Yes VIMAGE was good enough, and as was told before in this thread a success. I am not contesting that. Yet not even today all those bugs and memory leaks are fixed. Patches for some bugs floated around, some where collected some not, only god knows. I heard that now for FreeBSD 11 the FreeBSD foundation forked some money to get it done. I hope they will. Another example is the autofs mounter. The prject was marked as complete by FreeBSD foundation in 2014. Last I tried it to autmount removable devices, it left directory after directory in the autofs managed directory. This is known behavior. It also did not worked as it should ??? (show it manage removable media correctly ) changing CD/DVD media disks. Presumably In could have somehow manage it to work by making yet another scaffolding of scripts as a questionable glue between devd and automounters. That if devd receives media change notifications. I dont know. If not I could patch the kernel, yeah. But it is just much to simple to not bother at all and use OSx. DRM drivers ? Done, but more or less in the same state by years. At least not important in server space. outlining those issues should not make anyone feel criticized. Things are what they are, maybe its better to think what are the root causes of issues like those outlined before. Does the project lacks manpower ? If it does maybe the developers should do something to attract and nurse more and more potential people. Are those issues you dont want to work on or you dont have an agenda to make them bug free and work orthogonal? No problem, make a statement and say .. we wont ever do this , or it will take 6 years ... or whatever. It is not helpful to complain that people do not appreciate your hard work, becuae ppl do. Also not helpful to complain about tones which should be toned down by 2 orders of magnitude, peasants and castles. It is also not helpful to complain that people oppose progress when you are pointed some issues.It couldn't be further removed from truth, at least in my case. But I think most ppl on this list want progress. At least this is my impression. Too much of Unix is badly stuck in the past.
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