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Date:      	Mon, 27 May 1996 00:20:34 -0800
From:      Sean Doran <smd@cesium.clock.org>
To:        dennis@etinc.com
Cc:        hackers@Freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: The view from here (was Re: ISDN Compression Load on CPU)
Message-ID:  <96May27.002042pdt.119171-29766%2B24@cesium.clock.org>

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Dennis  <dennis@etinc.com> writes:
| your (ridiculous) allusion to the "Sun Sparc" is a clear indication
| that you just dont get it.

Actually, I only mention this because the largest dialup
ISP in the U.K. (and quite likely all of Europe) use Sun
SPARCs running NetBSD as routers, and in the NetBSD world
make much of this whenever the word Cisco is mentioned.

I wonder if the irony of you attacking their position as
ridiculous is lost on you if you haven't seen any of the
Demon folks discussing *NIX boxes vs. dedicated routers.

I also wonder if you have looked at pricing out a SPARC
system vs a comparably high-end built-for-reliability PC
lately, particularly outside of North America or in the
face of bulk and educational discounting schemes.

Probably not, since I have the feeling that you have
pretty heavy PC blinders on, and might not agree that
there are non-PC workstations of many flavours which make
perfectly adequate IPv4 routers running a freely available
OS with source code.  Maybe this is because you sell a
product which seems to be designed for PCs, and aren't
aware of alternative systems -- some with more than 32
bits and much better price/performance ratios as
mid-to-high-end routers in comparison with dedicated
counterparts than one can get out of high-end PCs.

Of course, now that you've correctly identified me as
someone who just doesn't get it, I think I shall happily
point out (again) that I was largely agreeing with you
about the dedicated router vs. *NIX low-end argument,
but correcting your rather seriously mistaken assertions
about Cisco's IOS and mid-end-and-up dedicated routers.

I think that if you do some slight digging you might find
out that with respect to cisco products, I generally do
know what I'm talking about.

	Sean.

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