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Date:      Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:24:34 +0100
From:      Chris Rees <utisoft@gmail.com>
To:        Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
Cc:        Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com>, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>, Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>, Zhihao Yuan <lichray@gmail.com>
Subject:   Re: Providing a default graphical environment on FreeBSD
Message-ID:  <CADLo838EPNAAhmN6nui_6Xp_N_2nqw33GP8kv_FtVUziPrAt1w@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1209181004510.44656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
References:  <CAGsORuBqiodwt_EmVqB%2BfO=tgOVeZOERopSE2y=mLa8Jp6ZOjQ@mail.gmail.com> <63507.1347905101@critter.freebsd.dk> <CAGsORuAzXzb1XURUbOhMEHAvf581swpFqUxSUrQXLPamii4Mzw@mail.gmail.com> <CAGH67wTzeUmASd_UCKwQ7BUAKnz6_qjUdDAVe_8XDFf3aaOcqQ@mail.gmail.com> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1209181004510.44656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

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Can you perhaps read the whole thread and organise your thoughts into just
one email?

Chris
On 18 Sep 2012 09:09, "Wojciech Puchar" <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
wrote:

> To be succinct: this is not OSX/Windows. True Unix and Unix clones can
>> be decoupled from a desktop environment enough that forcing everyone
>> to have one choice for desktop user experience doesn't make sense, and
>> the fact that there isn't a common GUI development toolkit (GTK, QT,
>> etc) encourages fragmentation of effort further (I think it's called
>> the Bazaar model of development :P).
>>
>
> That's all true. But do anyone understand why there is still so much
> pressure for every open source OS and specifically *BSD on "default desktop
> environment" or similar ideas?
>
> Such a pressure exist for 20 years at least, and - between other results -
> started demise of linux as trusty high performance system.
>
> Why people still not learned from faults and keep harming good open source
> projects that way?
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