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Date:      Thu, 18 Dec 2014 20:29:42 -0600
From:      Bill Sorenson <instructionset@gmail.com>
To:        Mark Millard <markmi@dsl-only.net>
Cc:        FreeBSD PowerPC ML <freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD 10.1 PPC64 on XServe G5 hangs at Openfirmware Loader [likely an example of a long standing problem]
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I can confirm that 10.1-RELENG and 10-STABLE will boot at least an XServe
G5 when built from source on a running 10.0-RELEASE install. Problem
appears specific to the iso from what I can tell. Although I've been wrong
before. I'm not sure how the isos are generated in the release process so
no idea if it makes sense.

-Bill S.
On Dec 18, 2014 8:22 PM, "Mark Millard" <markmi@dsl-only.net> wrote:

> I've included a reminder (a past exchange) that makes this report sounds
> like a long standing problem with powerpc64 10.x-STABLE .iso's burned to
> CDs for PowerMac G5's.
>
> As I remember 10.0-RELEASE's .iso worked and is eventually how I
> bootstrapped. 10.1-RELEASE did not work when I tried it. (See
> https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ppc/2014-November/007328.html
> .)
>
> I've never had 10.x-STABLE .iso's work in a PowerMac G5. (I've no XServe
> access, just access to some desktop PowerMac G5's.) My tries do not go all
> the way back to the first 10.0-STABLE .iso, however. As I remember I
> started trying in 2014-Apr or so. Eventually I stopped checking each new
> 10.0-STABLE but did check some as time went on.
>
>
> From: Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org>
> Subject: Re: Running FreeBSD-ppc/ppc64 on emulators? [.iso based CD boot
> problems exist for PowerMac G5's too]
> Date: July 26, 2014 at 11:40:28 PM PDT
> To: Mark Millard <markmi@dsl-only.net>, freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org
>
> Interesting. It seems loader is broken. I just tried with a 10.0-STABLE
> image and can reproduce the problem -- 11 oddly is OK. What really
> perplexes me is that the powerpc and powerpc64 loaders are identical, since
> loader is built 32-bit in either case. Super weird. I'll try to get it
> fixed. Thanks for the problem report and reminder!
> -Nathan
>
> On 07/26/14 23:33, Mark Millard wrote:
>
> To make clear about the "/" in the line:
>
> and stops while displaying "/" from its progress indicator. The fans then
> gradually spin up.
>
> This "progress indicator" is the repeating sequence -, \, |, /. It always
> stopped with / as I remember. But I've no clue for if that is from the
> repeating sequence or is the leading / from /boot/kernel/kernel. At this
> point I'm limited to reporting just the visual result, not the internal
> stage it is tied to.
>
> ===
> Mark Millard
> markmi at dsl-only.net
>
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Mark Millard <markmi@dsl-only.net> wrote:
> First I quote what I wrote about when the hangups occur on the G5's
> (combining quotes from the two messages so the overall notes are easier to
> understand):
>
> For a C-key style boot it hangs shortly after displaying
>
> loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf
>
> and stops while displaying "/" from its progress indicator. The fans then
> gradually spin up.
>
> In other words: It hangs just before it would normally display the line
> that includes the text: /boot/kernel/kernel
>
> The original messages were:
>
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ppc/2014-June/007029.html
> and
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ppc/2014-June/007056.html
>
> Even the /b prefix from /boot/kernel/kernel did not show up even though
> /boot/defaults/loader.conf did show up just fine.
>
>
>
> As for trying 11-CURRENT: I've not tried 11-CURRENT for anything yet. And,
> unfortunately, I'm now away from the PowerMacs for weeks so I will not be
> doing new experiments for several weeks. I can try once I get back.
>
> All the 9.2/9.3-STABLE's that I tried worked. And 10.0-RELELASE worked.
> Any 10.0-STABLE from before about Apr-27 I've never tried: Late April is
> about when I started the experiments with PowerMacs.
>
> Also: I had no troubles with 10.0-STABLE for powerpc on PowerMacs.
> PowerPC64 on PowerMac G5's is where I had problems. (I do not have other
> kinds of PowerPC equipment available.)
>
>
>
> ===
> Mark Millard
> markmi at dsl-only.net
>
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Mark Millard <markmi@dsl-only.net> wrote:
> This boot issue from .iso's (burned to CDs) is not specific to emulation
> (assuming it is the same problem in both places).
>
> I'm afraid that it sounds like PowerMac G5's hang the same way/place
> whenever I've tried a fairly modern PowerPC64 10.0-STABLE .iso burned to a
> CD. I was able to boot 10.0-RELEASE's .iso burned to a CD. I've not tried
> emulation.
>
> Having an initial FreeBSD running I tend to use the MANIFEST and .txz
> files with "bsdinstall auto" to make new from-scratch (not
> buildworld/buildkernel) installations when I want such.
>
> My notes on the G5 boot issue for the .iso's burned to CD's were reported
> in: (I'm not near the PowerMacs, unfortunately)
>
> FreeBSD 10-STABLE powerpc64 r266807 CD PowerMac7, 2 (and 7, 11) boot hangs
> very early in the process
>
> Has anyone booted a G5 PowerMac from a recent 10.0-STABLE .iso burned to
> CD? A multi-processor one?
>
> ===
> Mark Millard
> markmi at dsl-only.net
>
>
>
>
>
> ===
> Mark Millard
> markmi at dsl-only.net
>
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