Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 02:26:44 -0500 (EST) From: Lanny Baron <lnb@FreeBSDsystems.COM> To: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> Cc: opentrax@email.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freedom@FreedomTC.COM Subject: Re: accessing portal site Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0011130134390.94985-100000@satan.freebsdsystems.com> In-Reply-To: <20001113164546.O32175@wantadilla.lemis.com>
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Greg, what are you trying to do to me??? Are you trying to get people to hate me? I have spent almost 1 year trying to make business plans for Freedom Technologies Corporation, which exists, and sells FREEDOM SERVERS with FreeBSD installed. I do not know this opentrax@email.com or whom the writer is. But since the person is getting this mail, lets set the freeking record straight. I cc'd advocacy because I thought that people might be interested in seeing someone that is a FreeBSD user, tell a giant like Intel something is very wrong. To the person at opentrax@email.com, since I came up with domains freebsdsystems.org, net and com Mr. Lehey was Adamantly* against me doing this. He demanded business plans. In fact Jordan said that he was not against it, but would not certify the systems. Which I can understand. He said it was ok to have our company listed on the FreeBSD site (we are in the gallery under freebsdsystems i think). We have sold a few servers into the U.S. from people hitting on that link from FreeBSD. We have one particular customer that is so "high" on our service, he is ordering dial-up equipment and wants to have wireless Internet available. Greg told me in mail, that he had a private IRC conversation with some people. Part of the conversation (or possibly all of it..i don't really know) was "what is Lanny Baron's role going to be". Well Greg, my role seems to work. Mr.Lehey then demanded any sits I had that had referece or an http link to Mr.Lehey's site removed at once, or he would pursue other courses to get them off. I obliged his request. I thought of the idea. I registered the domain names. I checked with someone besides Jordan at CDROM.COM prior to the takeover or buy-out by BSDi. I had told the person that Greg Lehey Adamantly objected to my usage of the name FreeBSD on our site. The answer was, Greg has no say what goes on, MR.Lehey writes books and left it at that. I was told by that person that the decision for anything with FreeBSD is entirely up to Jordan Hubbard. I have already stated that Jordan had no problem with us. Prior to my setting up the site (which still needs a lot of work), Mr. Lehey was helping me with all sorts of things. This stopped in late December, 1999 or early January, 2000. Yes I am no UNIX GURU. I never claimed to be. I do know enough to set up servers with the correct hardware and config the system to perform to the customers expectations. The proof of which can be furnished. I also contacted Marshall McKusick regarding the use of the BSD DAEMON. He said it was fine when he checked out our site. Reason being, we are promoting FreeBSD or a BSD system. From the whole advocacy list only one person besides Greg did not like the fact that I cc'd advocacy. Well I have one question. WTF does ADVOCACY mean?? In my little brain it means to promote. Our company ONLY sells systems with FreeBSD installed on it. Is that not Advocating the greatness of FreeBSD?? Greg. Please stop trying to get people to hate me or our organization. We are part of the FreeBSD community. I could have been an S.O.B. and for the book we provide to customers, The Complete FreeBSD by Greg Lehey, could have been substituted with some other. I know how much you want our company to fail. To the person at opentrax@email.com, I am sorry we must correspond in this hostile manner. I would like to know who you are, if you would consider that. Yours Truly Lanny Baron http://freedomtc.com On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Greg Lehey in the last wild and more than exciting...: >On Sunday, 12 November 2000 at 22:10:28 -0800, opentrax@email.com wrote: >> >> >> On 13 Nov, Greg Lehey wrote: >>> On Sunday, 12 November 2000 at 20:18:57 -0500, Lanny Baron wrote: >>>> >>>> You may not like my "tone". Which is to me,is unimportant in this >>>> issue. The ISSUE was, Intel not allowing non I.E. browsers to >>>> access the portal and other private to channel users, site(s). >>>> >>>> .....[Trimmed massive malarque].... >>>> >>>> This is not some apologetic answer back. This is to defend my >>>> warranted mail as a person whom is dedicated to promoting FreeBSD. >>> >>> As I said, you're welcome to do what you want as long as you don't >>> involve us. >>> >>>> In no way did I make any representation or link between myself and The >>>> FreeBSD Project or any of its communities. >>> >>> By copying -advocacy, you implied exactly that. Please don't do it >>> again. You're more than welcome to behave in whatever manner you see >>> fit, but have the courtesy to not raise the impression that >>> FreeBSD-advocacy is behind you. >>> >> I disagree with your last statement, Greg. >> >> I will concure(sp?) that the original posting has no business in >> Advocacy@freebsd.org. I also agree that his topic is definitely of >> subject. I further agree that using a more diplomatic approach >> does have it merits and at times can be more effective that >> the 'gunshot and dynamite' method. >> >> As I see this posting, this person is informing us of some >> rather important information, which we might want to take note of. >> The topic, while NOT belonging to 'advocacy', is of importance >> to those who advocacte *BSD. Personally I can recount many >> such stories, but this is not about me. >> >> I should finish by saying that while this person's information >> is important to those who advocate *BSD. There seems to be >> no one willing to 'step up to the plate' and deal with this >> information so that we might make effective use of it. > >Sorry, maybe I need to clarify my statement. I don't have an issue >with Lanny copying the list on the followups; as you say, it's >certainly of interest, especially since he has been successful. My >concern is the same as yours, that he shouldn't have copied us on his >initial message to Intel. I wouldn't have objected if he had sent the >message to Intel and then forwarded it to us. > >Greg >-- >Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key >See complete headers for address and phone numbers > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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