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Date:      Sun, 12 Nov 2000 04:58:58 -0600
From:      "Michael C . Wu" <keichii@iteration.net>
To:        Chris Dillon <cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us>
Cc:        Jeremiah Gowdy <jgowdy@home.com>, KT Sin <ktsin@acm.org>, freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: via chipset and SMP
Message-ID:  <20001112045858.A7123@peorth.iteration.net>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0011101303530.17251-100000@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us>; from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us on Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 01:28:47PM -0600
References:  <006301c04ab3$b70121c0$aa240018@cx443070b> <Pine.BSF.4.21.0011101303530.17251-100000@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us>

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On Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 01:28:47PM -0600, Chris Dillon scribbled:
| On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Jeremiah Gowdy wrote:
| > > > I am thinking of getting a dual coppermine board with VIA chipset.
| > > > Has anyone tried running FreeBSD SMP on such boards? Is the VIA's
| > > > SMP chipset any good?
|
| > > Even their non-SMP chipsets are crap.  It blew my mind that they had
| > > the ability to create an SMP chipset at all, let alone make one that
| > > might work.
|
| > My counter opinion would simply be, I have ran FreeBSD on my Tyan
| > Tiger 133A motherboard which uses the Via Apollo Pro 133A chipset
| > with Dual Pentium III 450s.  They aren't the best performing
| > boards out there, however, they are pretty stable in my
| > experience, both Athlon and PIII.  Add that to the fact that they
| > support the latest tech like AGP4X and UDMA100.  Their chipsets do
| > lack a little performance, but not so much as to make me wish I
| > had another board.  Dual Pentium IIIs are still Dual Pentium IIIs.

VIA chipsets have compatibility problems with many PCI/ISA cards.

| Sure, the chipsets do work.  Sometimes.  Maybe.  If you hold your
| breath.
| recently the 760 to speak of).  Even some of our (FreeBSD's) own

I think the AMD 760 will be much nicer than VIA.

| driver writers have kvetched about how VIA or
| insert-other-lowball-chipset-maker-here has not followed this or that
| PCI spec or things of that nature.  Intel apparently puts quite a bit
| more compatibility testing into their chipsets, and follows
| specifications closely (usually).  I'm not sure if VIA, SiS, or ALi's
| inability to create decent chipsets is because of a lack of access to
| important standards information, lack of engineering ability, or for

From what I understand by talking to VIA/D-Link/Realtek developers
that I went to school with in Taiwan, their development (and especially
testing/verification) models are not the envy of the world.
<insert many juicy, interesting, and horrifying stories here>
Sometimes, it's the management pushing deadlines too hard, and sometimes
it's just that they lack the years of design experience/technology
of companies like AMD/Motorola/IBM/Intel. Or it is the pointy-haired bosses,
and maybe a combination of the above.

| other reasons (like, they're low-end, low-price chipsets, and you get
| what you pay for).

D-Link's company idea is to go for low-end, low-price.
See Bill Paul's if_rl.c comments. :)

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