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Date:      Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:11:53 -0800
From:      Patrick Hajek <pphajek@lbl.gov>
To:        Alexander Langer <alex@big.endian.de>
Cc:        freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Hauppauge WinTV bktr-- no audio.
Message-ID:  <20031223061153.GA12777@lbl.gov>
In-Reply-To: <20031220103207.GA4696@kawoserv.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de>
References:  <20031217214157.GA3774@lbl.gov> <20031219195842.GD334@galgenberg.net> <20031219230740.GC6380@lbl.gov> <20031220103207.GA4696@kawoserv.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de>

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> Please do:
> - paste the debug-output of "boot -v" related to the bktr code.
>   There will be a lot more lines in dmesg after you started a tv-app
>   such as fxtv, so please include those as well.
> - Try to set bktr.0.mspsimple=0 (before loading the driver, e.g. from 
>   the loader or device.hints).  This forces the driver to fall
>   back to the fallback-mode for MSP340* chipsets, maybe it works for
>   you as well.


Step (1)boot -v 

output from /var/log/messeges:
Dec 22 20:50:21 market kernel: bktr0: <BrookTree 878> mem 0xf4000000-0xf4000fff irq 22 at device 6.0 on pci2
Dec 22 20:50:21 market kernel: pcib2: device bktr0 requested decoded memory range 0xf4000000-0xf4000fff
Dec 22 20:50:21 market kernel: brooktree0: PCI bus latency is 32.
Dec 22 20:50:21 market kernel: bktr0: buffer size 3555328, addr 0x5000000
Dec 22 20:50:21 market kernel: bktr0: GPIO is 0x00ffffdb
Dec 22 20:50:21 market kernel: bktr0: Detected a MSP3430G-A1 at 0x80
Dec 22 20:50:21 market kernel: bktr0: Hauppauge WinCast/TV, Philips NTSC tuner, msp3400c stereo.
Dec 22 20:50:21 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: init: chip=MSP3430G-A1, has NICAM support
Dec 22 20:50:21 market kernel: pci2: <multimedia> at device 6.1 (no driver attached)

after starting fxtv, messeges:
Dec 22 20:55:06 market kernel: bktr0: GPIO is 0x00fffffb
Dec 22 20:55:06 market kernel: bktr0: Detected a MSP3430G-A1 at 0x80
Dec 22 20:55:07 market kernel: bktr0: GPIO is 0x00fffffb
Dec 22 20:55:07 market kernel: bktr0: Detected a MSP3430G-A1 at 0x80
Dec 22 20:55:07 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 20:55:07 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 20:55:07 market kernel: bktr0: msp3410: setting mode: autodetect start (0x0001)
Dec 22 20:55:07 market kernel: bktr0: msp3410: current mode: ERROR (0x0000)
Dec 22 20:55:07 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setbass: 32768 0x00
Dec 22 20:55:08 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: settreble: 32768 0x00
Dec 22 20:55:08 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 65535:65535  v=0x73 b=0x00
Dec 22 20:55:12 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 20:55:12 market kernel: bktr0: msp3410: setting mode: autodetect start (0x0001)
Dec 22 20:55:12 market kernel: bktr0: msp3410: current mode: ERROR (0x0000)
Dec 22 20:55:12 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setbass: 32768 0x00
Dec 22 20:55:12 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: settreble: 32768 0x00
Dec 22 20:55:13 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 65535:65535  v=0x73 b=0x00
Dec 22 20:55:36 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 20:55:37 market kernel: bktr0: msp3410: setting mode: autodetect start (0x0001)
Dec 22 20:55:39 market kernel: bktr0: msp3410: current mode: ERROR (0x0000)
Dec 22 20:55:41 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setbass: 32768 0x00
Dec 22 20:55:41 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: settreble: 32768 0x00
Dec 22 20:55:41 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 65535:65535  v=0x73 b=0x00
Dec 22 20:55:41 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 20:55:41 market kernel: bktr0: msp3410: setting mode: autodetect start (0x0001)
Dec 22 20:55:41 market kernel: bktr0: msp3410: current mode: ERROR (0x0000)
Dec 22 20:55:41 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setbass: 32768 0x00
Dec 22 20:55:41 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: settreble: 32768 0x00
Dec 22 20:55:41 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 65535:65535  v=0x73 b=0x00
Dec 22 20:55:41 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 20:55:41 market kernel: bktr0: msp3410: setting mode: autodetect start (0x0001)
Dec 22 20:55:41 market kernel: bktr0: msp3410: current mode: ERROR (0x0000)
Dec 22 20:55:41 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setbass: 32768 0x00
Dec 22 20:55:41 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: settreble: 32768 0x00
Dec 22 20:55:41 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 65535:65535  v=0x73 b=0x00
Dec 22 20:55:42 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 20:55:42 market kernel: bktr0: msp3410: setting mode: autodetect start (0x0001)
Dec 22 20:55:42 market kernel: bktr0: msp3410: current mode: ERROR (0x0000)
Dec 22 20:55:42 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setbass: 32768 0x00
Dec 22 20:55:42 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: settreble: 32768 0x00
Dec 22 20:55:42 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 65535:65535  v=0x73 b=0x00

Step (2): adding hint.bktr.0.mspsimple="0" in the device.hints file and then boot -v:

Dec 22 21:08:27 market kernel: bktr0: <BrookTree 878> mem 0xf4000000-0xf4000fff irq 22 at device 6.0 on pci2
Dec 22 21:08:27 market kernel: pcib2: device bktr0 requested decoded memory range 0xf4000000-0xf4000fff
Dec 22 21:08:28 market kernel: brooktree0: PCI bus latency is 32.
Dec 22 21:08:28 market kernel: bktr0: buffer size 3555328, addr 0x5000000
Dec 22 21:08:28 market kernel: bktr0: GPIO is 0x00ffffdb
Dec 22 21:08:28 market kernel: bktr0: Detected a MSP3430G-A1 at 0x80
Dec 22 21:08:28 market kernel: bktr0: Hauppauge WinCast/TV, Philips NTSC tuner, msp3400c stereo.
Dec 22 21:08:28 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: init: chip=MSP3430G-A1, has NICAM support
Dec 22 21:08:28 market kernel: pci2: <multimedia> at device 6.1 (no driver attached)

after starting fxtv, messeges:
Dec 22 21:13:11 market kernel: bktr0: GPIO is 0x00fffffb
Dec 22 21:13:11 market kernel: bktr0: Detected a MSP3430G-A1 at 0x80
Dec 22 21:13:11 market kernel: bktr0: GPIO is 0x00fffffb
Dec 22 21:13:11 market kernel: bktr0: Detected a MSP3430G-A1 at 0x80
Dec 22 21:13:11 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:13:11 market last message repeated 2 times
Dec 22 21:13:11 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setmode: 0
Dec 22 21:13:11 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:  1776 / 4.5   NTSC
Dec 22 21:13:12 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:  2224 / 5.5   PAL B/G
Dec 22 21:13:12 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:   544 / 6.0   PAL I
Dec 22 21:13:12 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:   185 / 6.5   PAL D/K + SAT + SECAM
Dec 22 21:13:12 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier2 val:   100 / 5.742 PAL B/G FM-stereo
Dec 22 21:13:12 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier2 val:    84 / 5.85  PAL B/G NICAM
Dec 22 21:13:12 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setmode: 3
Dec 22 21:13:12 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: FM setstereo: mono
Dec 22 21:13:12 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setstereo final source/matrix = 0x0
Dec 22 21:13:12 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: stereo detect register: -16
Dec 22 21:13:12 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 65535:65535  v=0x73 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:13:12 market kernel: bktr: msp3400: main sound carrier: 5.501 MHz
Dec 22 21:13:12 market kernel: bktr: msp3400: FM-stereo carrier : 5.743 MHz
Dec 22 21:15:17 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:15:17 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:15:17 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setmode: 0
Dec 22 21:15:18 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:  1602 / 4.5   NTSC
Dec 22 21:15:18 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:  1645 / 5.5   PAL B/G
Dec 22 21:15:18 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:   407 / 6.0   PAL I
Dec 22 21:15:18 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:   149 / 6.5   PAL D/K + SAT + SECAM
Dec 22 21:15:18 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier2 val:    93 / 5.742 PAL B/G FM-stereo
Dec 22 21:15:18 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier2 val:    82 / 5.85  PAL B/G NICAM
Dec 22 21:15:18 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setmode: 3
Dec 22 21:15:18 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: FM setstereo: mono
Dec 22 21:15:18 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setstereo final source/matrix = 0x0
Dec 22 21:15:18 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: stereo detect register: -16
Dec 22 21:15:18 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 65535:65535  v=0x73 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:15:18 market kernel: bktr: msp3400: main sound carrier: 5.501 MHz
Dec 22 21:15:18 market kernel: bktr: msp3400: FM-stereo carrier : 5.743 MHz
Dec 22 21:15:20 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:15:20 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:15:20 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setmode: 0
Dec 22 21:15:21 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:  1610 / 4.5   NTSC
Dec 22 21:15:21 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:  1719 / 5.5   PAL B/G
Dec 22 21:15:21 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:   438 / 6.0   PAL I
Dec 22 21:15:21 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:   168 / 6.5   PAL D/K + SAT + SECAM
Dec 22 21:15:21 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier2 val:    97 / 5.742 PAL B/G FM-stereo
Dec 22 21:15:21 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier2 val:    82 / 5.85  PAL B/G NICAM
Dec 22 21:15:21 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setmode: 3
Dec 22 21:15:21 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: FM setstereo: mono
Dec 22 21:15:21 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setstereo final source/matrix = 0x0
Dec 22 21:15:21 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: stereo detect register: -16
Dec 22 21:15:21 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 65535:65535  v=0x73 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:15:21 market kernel: bktr: msp3400: main sound carrier: 5.501 MHz
Dec 22 21:15:21 market kernel: bktr: msp3400: FM-stereo carrier : 5.743 MHz
Dec 22 21:15:22 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:15:23 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:15:23 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setmode: 0
Dec 22 21:15:23 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:   994 / 4.5   NTSC
Dec 22 21:15:23 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:  1008 / 5.5   PAL B/G
Dec 22 21:15:23 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:   275 / 6.0   PAL I
Dec 22 21:15:23 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:   122 / 6.5   PAL D/K + SAT + SECAM
Dec 22 21:15:23 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier2 val:    86 / 5.742 PAL B/G FM-stereo
Dec 22 21:15:24 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier2 val:    90 / 5.85  PAL B/G NICAM
Dec 22 21:15:24 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setmode: 5
Dec 22 21:15:24 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: nicam sync=0, mode=0
Dec 22 21:15:24 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: watch: nicam 1 => 0
Dec 22 21:15:24 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: NICAM setstereo: mono
Dec 22 21:15:24 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setstereo final source/matrix = 0x0
Dec 22 21:15:24 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 65535:65535  v=0x73 b=0x00
ec 22 21:15:24 market kernel: bktr: msp3400: main sound carrier: 5.501 MHz
Dec 22 21:15:24 market kernel: bktr: msp3400: NICAM/FM carrier   : 5.851 MHz
Dec 22 21:15:25 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:15:26 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:15:26 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setmode: 0
Dec 22 21:15:26 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:  1465 / 4.5   NTSC
Dec 22 21:15:26 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:  1526 / 5.5   PAL B/G
Dec 22 21:15:26 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:   398 / 6.0   PAL I
Dec 22 21:15:26 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:   158 / 6.5   PAL D/K + SAT + SECAM
Dec 22 21:15:26 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier2 val:    96 / 5.742 PAL B/G FM-stereo
Dec 22 21:15:26 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier2 val:    85 / 5.85  PAL B/G NICAM
Dec 22 21:15:26 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setmode: 3
Dec 22 21:15:26 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: FM setstereo: mono
Dec 22 21:15:26 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setstereo final source/matrix = 0x0
Dec 22 21:15:26 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: stereo detect register: -16
Dec 22 21:15:26 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 65535:65535  v=0x73 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:15:26 market kernel: bktr: msp3400: main sound carrier: 5.501 MHz
Dec 22 21:15:26 market kernel: bktr: msp3400: FM-stereo carrier : 5.743 MHz
Dec 22 21:15:28 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:15:28 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:15:28 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setmode: 0
Dec 22 21:15:29 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:  2083 / 4.5   NTSC
Dec 22 21:15:29 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:  2127 / 5.5   PAL B/G
Dec 22 21:15:29 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:   529 / 6.0   PAL I
Dec 22 21:15:29 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:   192 / 6.5   PAL D/K + SAT + SECAM
Dec 22 21:15:29 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier2 val:   102 / 5.742 PAL B/G FM-stereo
Dec 22 21:15:29 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier2 val:    83 / 5.85  PAL B/G NICAM
Dec 22 21:15:29 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setmode: 3
Dec 22 21:15:29 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: FM setstereo: mono
Dec 22 21:15:29 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setstereo final source/matrix = 0x0
Dec 22 21:15:29 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: stereo detect register: -16
Dec 22 21:15:29 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 65535:65535  v=0x73 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:15:29 market kernel: bktr: msp3400: main sound carrier: 5.501 MHz
Dec 22 21:15:29 market kernel: bktr: msp3400: FM-stereo carrier : 5.743 MHz
Dec 22 21:15:31 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:15:31 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:15:31 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setmode: 0
Dec 22 21:15:32 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:  1827 / 4.5   NTSC
Dec 22 21:15:32 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:  1855 / 5.5   PAL B/G
Dec 22 21:15:32 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:   477 / 6.0   PAL I
Dec 22 21:15:32 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:   180 / 6.5   PAL D/K + SAT + SECAM
Dec 22 21:15:32 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier2 val:    99 / 5.742 PAL B/G FM-stereo
Dec 22 21:15:32 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier2 val:    82 / 5.85  PAL B/G NICAM
Dec 22 21:15:32 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setmode: 3
Dec 22 21:15:32 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: FM setstereo: mono
Dec 22 21:15:32 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setstereo final source/matrix = 0x0
Dec 22 21:15:32 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: stereo detect register: -16
Dec 22 21:15:32 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 65535:65535  v=0x73 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:15:32 market kernel: bktr: msp3400: main sound carrier: 5.501 MHz
Dec 22 21:15:32 market kernel: bktr: msp3400: FM-stereo carrier : 5.743 MHz
Dec 22 21:15:55 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:15:55 market last message repeated 2 times
Dec 22 21:15:55 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setmode: 0
Dec 22 21:15:55 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:  1170 / 4.5   NTSC
Dec 22 21:15:55 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:  1339 / 5.5   PAL B/G
Dec 22 21:15:55 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:   354 / 6.0   PAL I
Dec 22 21:15:55 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:   141 / 6.5   PAL D/K + SAT + SECAM
Dec 22 21:15:56 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier2 val:    91 / 5.742 PAL B/G FM-stereo
Dec 22 21:15:56 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier2 val:    82 / 5.85  PAL B/G NICAM
Dec 22 21:15:56 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setmode: 3
Dec 22 21:15:56 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: FM setstereo: mono
Dec 22 21:15:56 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setstereo final source/matrix = 0x0
Dec 22 21:15:56 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: stereo detect register: 0
Dec 22 21:15:56 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 65535:65535  v=0x73 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:15:56 market kernel: bktr: msp3400: main sound carrier: 5.501 MHz
Dec 22 21:15:56 market kernel: bktr: msp3400: FM-stereo carrier : 5.743 MHz
Dec 22 21:16:07 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:16:08 market kernel: bktr0: msp34xx: setvolume: mute=off 0:0  v=0x00 b=0x00
Dec 22 21:16:08 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setmode: 0
Dec 22 21:16:08 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:  1494 / 4.5   NTSC
Dec 22 21:16:08 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:  1652 / 5.5   PAL B/G
Dec 22 21:16:08 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:   427 / 6.0   PAL I
Dec 22 21:16:08 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier1 val:   156 / 6.5   PAL D/K + SAT + SECAM
Dec 22 21:16:08 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier2 val:    94 / 5.742 PAL B/G FM-stereo
Dec 22 21:16:08 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: carrier2 val:    83 / 5.85  PAL B/G NICAM
Dec 22 21:16:08 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setmode: 3
Dec 22 21:16:08 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: FM setstereo: mono
Dec 22 21:16:08 market kernel: bktr0: msp3400: setstereo final source/matrix = 0x0

Immediately after starting fxtv, I could hear the background noise much
louder and more pronounced.  After changing the channel, I can hear Ch5 and Ch10 
very clearly yet all other ch[1-4,6-9] was just noise.  I can also hear a couple of
higher channels very clearly however many channels just present background
sounds.  I'm making progress.  Any other suggestions?

> Could you maybe try out the card under Linux? The
> BKTR_NEW_MSP34XX_DRIVER is ported from the Linux-driver, if it doesn't
> work under Linux, there is little chance we get it working under
> FreeBSD.

I also asked a co-worker who has a linux box and the same card to follow your suggestion.
I'm not too sure if it will be fruitful since he don't have cable

Thanks,
Patrick


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