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Date:      Sat, 24 May 2008 16:56:17 -0700
From:      "Peter Wemm" <peter@wemm.org>
To:        "Robert Watson" <rwatson@freebsd.org>
Cc:        arch@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org, Coleman Kane <cokane@freebsd.org>, net@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: HEAD UP: non-MPSAFE network drivers to be disabled (was: 8.0 network stack MPsafety goals (fwd))
Message-ID:  <e7db6d980805241656q30193933hcd983b6322d02df8@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <20080524165519.K9809@fledge.watson.org>
References:  <20080524111715.T64552@fledge.watson.org> <1211640498.1510.8.camel@localhost> <20080524165519.K9809@fledge.watson.org>

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On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Robert Watson <rwatson@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 24 May 2008, Coleman Kane wrote:
>
>> I've created a quick table of these at the following location:
>> http://wiki.freebsd.org/NetworkNeedsGiant
>>
>> Please everyone feel free to fill in the blanks. I'll try to do it as well
>> as time permits.
>
> FWIW, I suspect fixing things like SLIP and kernel PPP are fairly trivial
> once tty locking is in place -- a per-softc mutex and a bit of locking in
> the obvious spots would likely do it without too much trouble.  In some
> paths, it might be necessary to inject data via the netisr, if that's not
> already being done (probably is) to avoid input/output lock order issues.

ppp_tty.c is kind of hairy and rather stale.  I'd be inclined to drop
strong hints about switching to either userland ppp(8), or mpd +
netgraph if you want packets to stay in the kernel path and avoid
userland.

I was once a big user of pppd(8) and if_ppp.c / ppp_tty.c and
maintained them for a while.  But I use ppp(8) now and have no
interest in maintaining it anymore.

pppd/if_ppp.c/ppp_tty.c is many many years stale compared to what its
vendor supplies.

And, I think if_sl.c could probably do the same treatment.  It would
probably be a better investment in time to write a userland slip
driver and if_tun.c and/or write a ng_slip.c module
-- 
Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com
"All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5
"If Java had true garbage collection, most programs would delete
themselves upon execution." -- Robert Sewell



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