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Date:      Sat, 22 Dec 2018 17:58:39 -0800
From:      Enji Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com>
To:        Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com>
Cc:        Yuri Pankov <yuripv@yuripv.net>, Mark Peek <mp@freebsd.org>, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>, =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= <des@freebsd.org>, freebsd-current <current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: workaround for VMware WS NAT bug triggered by OpenSSH 7.8p1 changes
Message-ID:  <82004750-097A-47E5-9981-86B4B7A5F755@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <201812222103.wBML3C8G053162@slippy.cwsent.com>

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> On Dec 22, 2018, at 1:03 PM, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> wrote:

…

> Regarding the Red Hat bugzilla bug, looks like they're doing the right
> thing by reaching out to VMware. This should be our position as well.
> Add it to ssh_config or sshd_config if one must but have VMware fix
> their bugs. Putting workarounds in our O/S to work around a bug in some
> other vendor's virtualization is something I don't support. If we must
> add the #ifdefs to our ssh, then add an UPDATING entry to say that to
> enable it put VMWARE_GUEST_WORKAROUND or however we choose to enable it
> in src.conf.

This is the reason why I CCed mp@ :).. Mark works for VMware (I worked with him a bit when I was at Isilon).

…

> We, FreeBSD, should try to open a ticket or reach out to VMware to add
> a +1 to the issue that RH has already opened. This is the right thing
> to do. In this case we should consider ourselves an O/S vendor too,
> which BTW we are.

Yes, but unless there’s a champion internal to the project driving this, it’s up to individual users to drive the bug report/fix. If, however, there were regular regression tests run with VMware (and this can be done with pyvmomi/paramiko, etc), then we the project could provide this guarantee to VMware and vice versa if VMware invested the time in making this so--which I thought they did with 10.x… but if they don’t have an easy way to verify changes, there’s a bit of a chicken and egg problem.

> BTW the 2018-11-08 entry in the RH bug talks about adding the
> workaround to sshd_config.

… which is what I did instead of making the code change.

Thanks so very much for the patch and (more importantly) for the discussion/solution Yuri!! I really appreciate your unblocking me.
Cheers,
-Enji

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