Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 01:16:13 +0100 From: Johannes Lundberg <johalun0@gmail.com> To: blubee blubeeme <gurenchan@gmail.com> Cc: Ali Abdallah <aliovx@gmail.com>, FreeBSD current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>, des@des.no, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, mmacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12 Message-ID: <CAECmPwuX31et58uQ%2BryY0sugBTFsHTr-Rynm0jy67siz=J5SzQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CALM2mE=T_uEVPVi7J%2BjA-8c89T46%2B9X5wk1Xo5C8EfQmKap9yw@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAPrugNr9wN63ANjTYzyrHRegr9KTk_OSTLfrt%2BhktCnfKX=_mg@mail.gmail.com> <20180824215302.ivfna55jtrtc5trg@freebsd480.station> <CAPrugNqV6k2QTuiLerAKLB_hV1hkZNi4MLNqKU7MtVnMhMfPQw@mail.gmail.com> <CANCZdfp2rf=5e-qTV=-4yFrLPugn0UhtYovXdesJWbRWAjdGTg@mail.gmail.com> <CALM2mEmJVqfeERTL4AWw7cY3YfPUY6TFw==1hzBqsDJNDde_Uw@mail.gmail.com> <CAPrugNqsqQds6tBzeQcA%2B5tD4xh%2Bi1Fef2ta8Qjf5E6LTxPq4Q@mail.gmail.com> <CALM2mEmyjKD5vQexvHfeZK0Jud7HpGSn3RspBqFq49TzrfcwNg@mail.gmail.com> <86k1oepbdr.fsf@next.des.no> <CALM2mE=T_uEVPVi7J%2BjA-8c89T46%2B9X5wk1Xo5C8EfQmKap9yw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 00:25 blubee blubeeme <gurenchan@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 2:08 AM Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav <des@des.no> wro= te: > > > blubee blubeeme <gurenchan@gmail.com> writes: > > > True on both points my tone is just a reflection of attitudes of the > > > individuals that I am currently addressing. > > > > Well, congratulations on alienating absolutely everybody you have > > interacted with on this topic. > > > > > Some people enjoy making contributions w/o waving a banner constantly > > > wanting acknowledgement, a pat on the head and good job from everyone= . > > > > The only person I see constantly craving attention and validation from > > others here is you. > > > > > How far will core FreeBSD bend over backwards to accommodate these > > > devs. > > > > The core team does not decide what goes into the tree or not. The > > developers do. > > > > > This is the beauty of an open source project, we bring the best to th= e > > > table, [...] > > > > Who exactly is =E2=80=9Cwe=E2=80=9D here? You are not a member of the = project, you do > > not speak for the project, and after seeing how you treat our fellow > > developers, our friends, most of us want nothing to do with you. If > > can't live with that, I'm sure you can figure out how to install Linux. > > > > DES > > -- > > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no > > > Some on here want to attack my personality because they think that I am > abrasive, fine but that's not the issue. > > Some claim that they run the code and it works wonderful for them with no > issues, again that's lovely keep on running the code. > > Nevertheless let me restate the point that you guys are all seeming to > miss; If you can go out and build custom kernels with custom options and > out of mainline tree that's fine, keep doing that until you have somethin= g > that's production ready and as easy to install as the rest of FreeBSD > system. > > The graphics stack on FreeBSD is pretty bad as it stands but all the > documentation currently out there is about using it as it stands now. > > Why do you need to rip out the current graphics drivers which will break > systems for the vast majority of silent users who will not complain and > just leave? > > ---- A little background ---- > Do you know why Samsung, Motorola, Sony, LG, Nokia, etc... never update > their phones to the latest android version? > > It's because the Linux kernel is such a mess they know it's a waste of > resources to try. You should not have to ask how or why I know this but i= f > it's unclear I was in the field. > ----------------------------------- > > Now you guys who claim to only be hobbyist doing this in their free time > expect to maintain this when those companies with all their resources > cannot? > > Those 30,000 ports many of them bring bugs with them because of this > Linuxkpi stuff. Just recently there was a user who said google earth > doesn't work the answer was it doesn't work and that's that. > > They get ported and then get dropped so while the ports tree is large, if > you actually try to use some of those programs they are broken, maintenan= ce > hell for the developers and confusion for the users. > > Johannes Lundberg I know that you are one of the main working on this > linuxkpi stuff but anyone else is free to answer as well. > > Let's have an open discussion why do you need to remove the current > graphics stack to continue with your work? This has been discussed over and over on the mailing list and I don=E2=80= =99t think anyone wants to do it over again so please feel free to search the archives. You=E2=80=99re misinformed. We are not removing anything for anyone. We are= moving it to ports. =E2=80=9Cpkg install drm-legacy-kmod=E2=80=9D will install those drivers fo= r you that were earlier in base. I thought we have been clear about this but maybe we haven=E2=80=99t been clear enough. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " >
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