Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 12:18:11 -0700 From: Enji Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com>, "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Last bits of SCCS, RCS, CVS and Subversion IDs Message-ID: <5263B61F-48AD-4F0F-87EF-6382A4C0664C@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfqz7k_SBEN07ryRPTThj8hSzOzo=ezX4gGEYyFXXVx4qQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CANCZdfqQRQJq2TxtxwKEgtLcAe5ENOvu2_L%2BksE1pVatyKhC-Q@mail.gmail.com> <20230905160359.51C07C0@slippy.cwsent.com> <CANCZdfqKYEihPgtPQWMR-GXnXDXXifThXhv_%2BG3C6S7w6snNww@mail.gmail.com> <ZPdxBGsDntylMTjN@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <CANCZdfqz7k_SBEN07ryRPTThj8hSzOzo=ezX4gGEYyFXXVx4qQ@mail.gmail.com>
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--Apple-Mail=_2410299C-4040-4ACF-851E-26C62CFFC843 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_269EB318-154C-49C2-8AC3-90F5E566CECF" --Apple-Mail=_269EB318-154C-49C2-8AC3-90F5E566CECF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Sep 6, 2023, at 10:52 AM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: >=20 > On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 12:18=E2=80=AFPM Steve Kargl = <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu = <mailto:sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>> wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 05, 2023 at 11:47:05AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >> > >> > The reset of that thought is that the other remaining SVN / CVS / = RCS / >> > SCCS tags are from projects that no longer really have an upstream. >> > They are defunkt now for many years (decades in all cases I'm = familiar >> > with, but I've not done a full audit to say that with certainty). = They >> > also date from a time where marking of sources and binaries was = fundamentally >> > different, and did things that we no longer do and are out of step. = So >> > there's no benefit to retaining it and some desire, at least to = modernize. >> > >>=20 >> Warner, >>=20 >> As part of the purge of the ids, are you planning to remove ident(1)? >=20 > I was not. I have no opinion as to whether or not it should remain. ident still has some value with older versions of FreeBSD (I=E2=80=99ve = used it before to get kernel versions/revisions) or making it into an = optional build tool, but making it optional seems ok to me at least. Thanks, -Enji --Apple-Mail=_269EB318-154C-49C2-8AC3-90F5E566CECF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: = after-white-space;"><br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Sep 6, = 2023, at 10:52 AM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> = wrote:</div><div><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: = normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: = none;"><div class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none;"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, = Sep 5, 2023 at 12:18=E2=80=AFPM Steve Kargl <<a = href=3D"mailto:sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu">sgk@troutmask.apl.washing= ton.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" = style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; = border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); = padding-left: 1ex;">On Tue, Sep 05, 2023 at 11:47:05AM -0600, Warner = Losh wrote:<br>><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> The reset of that = thought is that the other remaining SVN / CVS / RCS /<br>> SCCS tags = are from projects that no longer really have an upstream.<br>> They = are defunkt now for many years (decades in all cases I'm = familiar<br>> with, but I've not done a full audit to say that with = certainty). They<br>> also date from a time where marking of sources = and binaries was fundamentally<br>> different, and did things that we = no longer do and are out of step. So<br>> there's no benefit to = retaining it and some desire, at least to modernize.<br>><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Warner,<br><br>As = part of the purge of the ids, are you planning to remove = ident(1)?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I was not. I have no = opinion as to whether or not it should = remain.</div></div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>ident still has = some value with older versions of FreeBSD (I=E2=80=99ve used it before = to get kernel versions/revisions) or making it into an optional build = tool, but making it optional seems ok to me at = least.</div><div>Thanks,</div><div>-Enji</div><br></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_269EB318-154C-49C2-8AC3-90F5E566CECF-- --Apple-Mail=_2410299C-4040-4ACF-851E-26C62CFFC843 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEtvtxN6kOllEF3nmX5JFNMZeDGN4FAmT40HMACgkQ5JFNMZeD GN7VSw/+Kei2X0BIdJjQLIyOv5YXs9h+8aCYoDViwjTOmfqw+AkjmROVUqB7yjm7 AAICW53Cg4dK3wXAz8Xc4ltaIL/mOoNdFtLgME3HUTn8IErbxSx2Zd6OT1Q4sxlg 06nDBAMprxdGGVc80xDGSiARhGT2lc84gOwza42zQXE5WV15oIBJ7WE4r72bqI/n KvZZsuX5OqEqTnY8EsyXAPzvZxaOVuqry9VpLhidG8+m84TiKAxzTeL4BL1DUMAU b/4ABjFIqsBbGHqHVdEx5+F5Tec94+WY/ObHrjcsXEdxLsPichuM9DfZFrQ3XhXk UByfCsI1ToR/J6oMwR8dhGwy67brSvZQ5i4/BY7T0DOZjAtXP6pcJ9b0309gn4k4 uqQHXtVbrWm2xZ9pqEg+h859M89dAOTR2M0Y8mXuRClZA/duJ3JNXU30mHYcFnXW p4jauvhnk5+mkYcr29fMnXj1utWhmkJi1mbaWgZRbE/CXLiw9SzO1EHK8pGCJhYy jqlwNjv3ppEPjH02MsPHQB2qUP3/D3rHhhz/9zur5GyEFOSMjaBWTVIiEIjfGLQ8 aaNsiPIdLlvbcac9JPQIOIFbRZR0oPS0GPAnRYYZ4XgbeK3DdMq93FxloVb+sXt7 vWsqYMOOAYlUsVLRkJwhz2vtEeM1arF6MpO1LaT7wc9ryJzlltE= =2yA1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_2410299C-4040-4ACF-851E-26C62CFFC843--
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