Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:38:58 +0100 From: "Salvatore Albanese" <salvatore@oems.ch> To: <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Blah Blah Bah Blob Message-ID: <000a01c7696b$29ffb6f0$222ba8c0@oemspc07> References: <20070318120011.0603916A476@hub.freebsd.org>
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Greetings and A Big Timeout all. Well I note that if you are are forwarding the FreeBSD OS then we need to face the fact it is good! and freedom is really close to chaos, with freedom at stake, I vote for Chaos. FreeBSD is good and it has helped many of my clients get out of the grips of Commercial Server Operation System's, and give them at the same time Stability, Secure, and Reliable services. OK maybe there are some people with inroads to be worked out, and have some political and person greavances, Some feel this is a Place to forward FreeBSD, not blast each other. For some us we feel FreeBSD 6 tree is still broken and has not moved forward as fast as we all want it to. Do to most of the person and political differences want to make it seem a lost hope, Well wasn't it I, that said "freedom is really close to chaos." Well we are at the chaos stage, and that means some parties want to be, more or less, decenting, wait that starst to sound like democratic, not autocratic..... this is the point, with feedback we can get the concensis of what we all want. by listening and digesting the facts. soon we forget that some players in the allBSD crowd brought us the EuroBSDcon2005 , and they were open enough to have freeBSD be there too. After all there are many BSD's, I feel giving equal time to the other flavors of BSD was quite a refreshing, since then the BSD parties have grown apart a little, but what does it mean. My clients who had faith in me and FreeBSD will be let down ( not on my watch), will we have to develop FreeBSD alone, ( the core will never let that happen) some try to discredit FreeBSD to their own person gains (Maybe) will this silliness last very long ( no!) All said and done let the doors of the firey ball of fermament fly open, after all this is a FreeBSD Advocacy list not a tool shed list! Anyone can write this better contact me for my feelings and I hope we can all come to a common frame of mind. Best regards Salvatore Albanese Sr. Consultant OEMS Sagl ----- Original Message ----- From: <freebsd-advocacy-request@freebsd.org> To: <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 181, Issue 5 > Send freebsd-advocacy mailing list submissions to > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freebsd-advocacy-request@freebsd.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > freebsd-advocacy-owner@freebsd.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of freebsd-advocacy digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav ) > 2. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Jona Joachim) > 3. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav ) > 4. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Jan Husar) > 5. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav ) > 6. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Jan Husar) > 7. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Jona Joachim) > 8. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav ) > 9. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Jona Joachim) > 10. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Jona Joachim) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:14:32 +0100 > From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav ) > Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign > To: Jona Joachim <walkingshadow@grummel.net> > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <86k5xf91pz.fsf@dwp.des.no> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Jona Joachim <walkingshadow@grummel.net> writes: >> I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by allBSD [1] today. >> The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the >> FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign. > > I don't see a FreeBSD logo there. All I see is the BSD daemon, which > is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives. The FreeBSD logo is here: > <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html>; > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@des.no > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:53:50 +0100 > From: Jona Joachim <walkingshadow@grummel.net> > Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign > To: des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav ) > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <20070317205350.70f6ecf1@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:14:32 +0100 > des@des.no (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) wrote: > >> Jona Joachim <walkingshadow@grummel.net> writes: >> > I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by allBSD [1] today. >> > The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the >> > FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign. >> >> I don't see a FreeBSD logo there. All I see is the BSD daemon, which >> is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives. The FreeBSD logo is here: >> <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html>; > > You have to scroll to the bottom of the flyer. I hope this is not too > much of an effort. > http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg > > Jona > > -- > "I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists > build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns > laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you > are free." Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord & Confusion > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 187 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/attachments/20070317/0a1dd146/signature-0001.pgp > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:25:21 +0100 > From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav ) > Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign > To: Jona Joachim <walkingshadow@grummel.net> > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <86ejnn39e6.fsf@dwp.des.no> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Jona Joachim <walkingshadow@grummel.net> writes: >> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> writes: >> > Jona Joachim <walkingshadow@grummel.net> writes: >> > > I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by allBSD [1] today. >> > > The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the >> > > FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign. >> > I don't see a FreeBSD logo there. All I see is the BSD daemon, >> > which is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives. The FreeBSD >> > logo is here: <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html>; >> You have to scroll to the bottom of the flyer. I hope this is not >> too much of an effort. >> http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg > > OK. That's a clear trademark violation. I expect AllBSD will be > hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers... > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@des.no > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:27:49 +0100 > From: Jan Husar <jan.husar@skosi.org> > Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign > To: Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav <des@des.no> > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Jona Joachim > <walkingshadow@grummel.net> > Message-ID: <45FC4F45.5030207@skosi.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: >> Jona Joachim <walkingshadow@grummel.net> writes: >>> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> writes: >>>> Jona Joachim <walkingshadow@grummel.net> writes: >>>>> I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by allBSD [1] today. >>>>> The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the >>>>> FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign. >>>> I don't see a FreeBSD logo there. All I see is the BSD daemon, >>>> which is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives. The FreeBSD >>>> logo is here: <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html>; >>> You have to scroll to the bottom of the flyer. I hope this is not >>> too much of an effort. >>> http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg >> >> OK. That's a clear trademark violation. I expect AllBSD will be >> hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers... >> > > What this suppose to mean? > Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job! > >> DES > > > > -- > ----------------------------------- > | Jan Husar > | > | freedomeurope.blogspot.com > | GnuPG 1024D/DDB1C1AE > | http://www.opensource.org > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:47:46 +0100 > From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav ) > Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign > To: Jan Husar <jan.husar@skosi.org> > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Jona Joachim > <walkingshadow@grummel.net> > Message-ID: <86648z38ct.fsf@dwp.des.no> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Jan Husar <jan.husar@skosi.org> writes: >> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> writes: >> > OK. That's a clear trademark violation. I expect AllBSD will be >> > hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers... >> What this suppose to mean? Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job! > > No matter how good a job they do, they still have to follow the law. > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@des.no > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:53:56 +0100 > From: Jan Husar <jan.husar@skosi.org> > Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign > To: Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav <des@des.no> > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Jona Joachim > <walkingshadow@grummel.net> > Message-ID: <45FC5564.3030302@skosi.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: >> Jan Husar <jan.husar@skosi.org> writes: >>> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> writes: >>>> OK. That's a clear trademark violation. I expect AllBSD will be >>>> hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers... >>> What this suppose to mean? Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job! >> >> No matter how good a job they do, they still have to follow the law. >> > > Definetly, but: > > Over the years as I'm working as full time opensource activist mostly > involved with the community and government/educational sector I must > say, the main reason we are so effective and deployable is we are able > to cooperate over any communication method know to man. > > Which means, if I see action somewhere benefiting us as a whole, I'm > going to support it, because in the end it does support and help me and > my projects. > > If allbsd did something wrong, we should be able to discuss is and > possible fix or try to find a solution, not spaming about lawyers. > As a community, we suffer enough, should we have some enemy within and > fight a guerilla warfare? When the BSD have enough problems already? > > Jan > >> DES > > > -- > ----------------------------------- > | Jan Husar > | > | freedomeurope.blogspot.com > | GnuPG 1024D/DDB1C1AE > | http://www.opensource.org > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:54:43 +0100 > From: Jona Joachim <walkingshadow@grummel.net> > Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign > To: des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav ) > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <20070317215443.6fd2d6ce@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:25:21 +0100 > des@des.no (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) wrote: > >> Jona Joachim <walkingshadow@grummel.net> writes: >> > Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> writes: >> > > Jona Joachim <walkingshadow@grummel.net> writes: >> > > > I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by allBSD [1] today. >> > > > The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the >> > > > FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign. >> > > I don't see a FreeBSD logo there. All I see is the BSD daemon, >> > > which is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives. The FreeBSD >> > > logo is here: <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html>; >> > You have to scroll to the bottom of the flyer. I hope this is not >> > too much of an effort. >> > http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg >> >> OK. That's a clear trademark violation. I expect AllBSD will be >> hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers... > > Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project leaders didn't know that our > logo was used for this campaign? > Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project encourages blobs? > > Jona > > > -- > "I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists > build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns > laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you > are free." Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord & Confusion > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 187 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/attachments/20070317/cf7a6593/signature-0001.pgp > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:05:32 +0100 > From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav ) > Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign > To: Jona Joachim <walkingshadow@grummel.net> > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <86ps771syr.fsf@dwp.des.no> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Jona Joachim <walkingshadow@grummel.net> writes: >> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> writes: >> > OK. That's a clear trademark violation. I expect AllBSD will be >> > hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers... >> Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project leaders didn't know that our >> logo was used for this campaign? >> Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project encourages blobs? > > It means that the matter is now in the hands of those who are > qualified to handle it. > > As for the FreeBSD Project's stance on closed-source drivers, I will > let the source tree speak for itself: > > des@dwp ~% find /sys/contrib -name \*.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/nve/amd64/nvenetlib.o.bz2.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/nve/i386/nvenetlib.o.bz2.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/oltr/i386-elf.trlld.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/arm9-le-thumb-elf.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/armv4-be-elf.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/armv4-le-elf.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/i386-elf.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips-be-elf.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips-le-elf.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips1-be-elf.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips1-le-elf.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mipsisa32-be-elf.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mipsisa32-le-elf.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/powerpc-be-eabi.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/powerpc-le-eabi.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/sh4-le-elf.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/x86_64-elf.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/xscale-be-elf.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/xscale-le-elf.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/alpha-elf.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/powerpc-be-elf.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/sparc64-be-elf.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap30.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap43.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap51.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap61.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/sparc-be-elf.hal.o.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3-i.fw.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3-p.fw.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3.fw.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/iwi/ipw2200-bss.fw.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/iwi/ipw2200-ibss.fw.uu > /sys/contrib/dev/iwi/ipw2200-sniffer.fw.uu > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@des.no > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:12:41 +0100 > From: Jona Joachim <walkingshadow@grummel.net> > Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign > To: des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav ) > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Joachim <walkingshadow@grummel.net>, > Jona > Message-ID: <20070317221241.13cb1429@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:47:46 +0100 > des@des.no (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) wrote: > >> Jan Husar <jan.husar@skosi.org> writes: >> > Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> writes: >> > > OK. That's a clear trademark violation. I expect AllBSD will be >> > > hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers... >> > What this suppose to mean? Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job! >> >> No matter how good a job they do, they still have to follow the law. > > What makes you say they violated the law? I'm quite sure some people of > the FreeBSD Foundation were shown this before it was made public. > > Jona > > -- > "I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists > build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns > laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you > are free." Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord & Confusion > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 187 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/attachments/20070317/7c47e961/signature-0001.pgp > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:24:59 +0100 > From: Jona Joachim <walkingshadow@grummel.net> > Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign > To: des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav ) > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Jona Joachim > <walkingshadow@grummel.net> > Message-ID: <20070317222459.119fc7c1@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:05:32 +0100 > des@des.no (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) wrote: > >> Jona Joachim <walkingshadow@grummel.net> writes: >> > Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> writes: >> > > OK. That's a clear trademark violation. I expect AllBSD will be >> > > hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers... >> > Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project leaders didn't know that our >> > logo was used for this campaign? >> > Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project encourages blobs? >> >> It means that the matter is now in the hands of those who are >> qualified to handle it. >> >> As for the FreeBSD Project's stance on closed-source drivers, I will >> let the source tree speak for itself: >> >> des@dwp ~% find /sys/contrib -name \*.uu > <snip listing of binaries> > > How about porting OpenHAL to FreeBSD? > > Jona > > -- > "I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists > build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns > laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you > are free." 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