Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:47:50 -0500 (EST) From: Vladik <reason@shadow.net> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Unix Desktop Message-ID: <13955.59387.416124.270867@ararat.mygus.com> In-Reply-To: <3683D49B.A3A79364@mediaone.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19981224133345.006990d4@we.mediaone.net> <Pine.BSF.3.91.981224161812.10899D-100000@dsinw.com> <3.0.1.32.19981224164708.006a0228@we.mediaone.net> <13955.10851.337409.38369@ararat.mygus.com> <3683D49B.A3A79364@mediaone.net>
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Joey Garcia writes: > Vladik wrote: > > > gummibear@we.mediaone.net writes: > > > At 04:23 PM 12/24/98 -0800, rick hamell wrote: > > > > > > > >> Lately, I have basically evaluating the X Windows system, and I just can't > > > >> figure out why it hasn't been made any easier for average users. I can't > > > >> figure out why antialiased fonts (such as true type fonts) haven't been > > > >> made the standard. I can't figure out why there hasn't been a solution to > > > >> the problem of not having a standardized Interface (or a few standardized > > > >> interfaces to choose from when developing applications or whatever - choice > > > >> isn't a bad thing). I can't figure out why the standard X libraries and > > > >> widget set hasn't been given the 90's look and feel (ala qt libraries). > > > > > > > > There is a possiblity of another Windowing system. BUT, something > > > >you're over looking is that there are several more Window Managers then > > > >you've tried. FVMN, Enlightenment, Afterstep. One of them may do what you > > > >want. Supposedly Enlightenment is pretty configurable. > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > The things that are still difficult with linux (at least for me) > > are setting up Internet dial-up, Xemacs (to read the news groups and > > mails)/Fonts for various programs. > > Basically I am trying to find programs/packages that allow > > me to configure that stuff without knowing anything about the config > > files, all GUI driven wizard, that set the whole system up. > > I think a good packagin system together with programs like "dofile > > generators" will do the job eventually. > > Yeah, setting up dial-up ppp stuff isn't the most easiest thing to do, but there are > scripts out there that help you do this. I have been playing around with perl for > quite sometime and I think that maybe I have enough knowledge in C programming to > come up with a binary (just because I like binaries) to set up the ppp stuff. Pppd > frontends are pretty kewl too. When I used to use Linux I used kppp which was > great. The setup wasn't so easy to figure out, but once you figure it out it's > basically point and click. With FreeBSD I just setup the ppp stuff manually using > the Handbook. It wasn't that hard, but I guess that all varies between users > systems and stuff like that. > > I'm not a pro with XEmacs so I can't help you there. I'm stil trying to figure out > what it all does, but I like the color coding. :) > > I've seen a "Dot File Generator" somewhere on the internet where modules could be > added in order to setup different dot files. Although, I forgot where it's at. > Anyone know? Although, it seems like most window managers and stuff come with their > own configuration software now a days. > > > Happy holidays, > > Vladislav > Dot file generators currently exist for many different things, as an example these are the ones I have installed on my Linux (debian) machine: ararat# dpkg -l | grep dot ii dotfile 2.2-1 dotfile generator ii dotfile-bash 1.02-3 Bash module for dotfile generator ii dotfile-doc 2.0-1 dotfile programmer documentation. ii dotfile-elm 1.0b1-5 elm module for dotfile generator ii dotfile-emacs 1.2-3 emacs module for dotfile generator ii dotfile-fvwm1 1.3-2 fvwm module for dotfile generator ii dotfile-fvwm2 1.0b6-5 fvwm2 module for dotfile generator ii dotfile-ipfwadm 0.23b3-4 ipfwadm module for dotfile generator ii dotfile-procmai 1.0b1-3 procmail module for dotfile generator ii dotfile-rtin 0.02-5 rtin module for dotfile generator ii dotfile-tcsh 1.3-3 tcsh module for dotfile generator ararat# See http://www.imada.ou.dk/~blackie/dotfile/ But again, I think, it is a combination of things that make the configuration of a UNIX machine easy: packaging system, menu update system (the one that updates menus with programs for all currently installed win managers), dot-file generators for easy customization wizard-like programs to setup ISP dial-up, security, OS tuning (kernel configs, module configs, etc), and of course, as it was mentioned, common GUI interface for a lot of office-type programs and common utilities (for example: There is always a different way to select fonts for Lyx (word processor), ghostview, <your> X e-mail reader, etc) Also, as you could notice, I cannot still configure my Xemacs to spell check my e-mail before sending (it is one check box in Netscape in an easy to see place) :-) Vladislav To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message
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