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Date:      Fri, 23 May 1997 23:16:45 -0400
From:      Bernard Courtney <bc@bythehand.com>
To:        Joerg Wunsch <joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de>
Cc:        chat@hub.freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: UU.NET, SPAM, and Cyberpromotions (was Re: usregsite.com)
Message-ID:  <33865D9D.46C9@bythehand.com>
References:  <XFMail.970522205148.alex@androcles.com> <199705231636.JAA07391@phaeton.artisoft.com> <19970523141845.49335@right.PCS> <19970523224702.NL51483@uriah.heep.sax.de>

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J Wunsch wrote:
> 
> (Moved to -chat)
> 
> As Jonathan Lemon wrote:
> 
> > > I did report it, and haven't seen anything since after the second time
> > > I had to report it to them; I got their canned response, so it may be
> > > that they have taken care of this one.
> >
> > The problem with uu.net is that they lease their dialups to various
> > ISPs, but there's no way to discover this from the information that
> > uu.net provides.
> 
> > The annoyed victim complains to uu.net, ...
> 
> Well, but uu.net is in charge for this entire domain, and as long as
> they don't even install MXes for their subdomains, so you could
> complain e.g. at postmaster@foo.bar.ca.uu.net, i can't feel with them.
> 
> I've tried a few times to resolve MXes for the lower-level uu.net
> subdomains, but it really looks the first level you could send mail to
> again is uu.net itself.  So they have to bear the complaints then.
> 
> --
> cheers, J"org
> 
> joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE
> Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)

Af far as I know UU Net is very good with taking action against
customers who abuse their service, but only if they have a definative
way of finding them.  I would have to side against UU Net on this one
because if they took a few more responciable steps toward identifing
users, they would not have this problem at all with their domains.  But
I don't think that UU Net is deserves all of the blame, the goverment
MUST implement some laws regarding the use of Internet e-mail (such as
the laws regarding abuse of the telephone network) and have fines for
the people and businesses that abuse this laws.  I think that it is not
fair for all ISP's to have to "fend for themselves" in preventing spam
from over running their servers.

			Bernard


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