Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 09:30:41 -0700 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org> Cc: Emmanuel Vadot <manu@bidouilliste.com>, Ed Maste <emaste@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Any Cronyx Tau* (ce(4) or cp(4)) users ? Message-ID: <CANCZdfp_An2RFzmdps%2BiZRD9qk697iSMVzn8JOpAKmy0yf5W6w@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <Ybtg5nM%2BVC/YTRKa@FreeBSD.org> References: <20211215162538.99d8d81650af56e2276f2f88@bidouilliste.com> <CAPyFy2D7mtKpv9uO8NOEx9iAoyg71vzLaxMVnzKZ5gDejhx19w@mail.gmail.com> <20211215175202.e1d101079a9c22c9094577f3@bidouilliste.com> <YbovxIBUE%2Bmi/fZG@FreeBSD.org> <20211216101733.7b7bfa569aca496b22ef0324@bidouilliste.com> <YbtUyqVwpoKFTV1T@FreeBSD.org> <20211216161337.1fa53758e61eaeb37b8b24d0@bidouilliste.com> <Ybtg5nM%2BVC/YTRKa@FreeBSD.org>
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--0000000000002e9e1705d345f2f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 8:54 AM Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org> wrote: > Emmanuel, > > look at this communication: > > E> And we're doing that just because the drivers compiles ? > G> We are doing that because the hardware is still produced ... > E> ... a lot of obsolete hardware that we've removed are still produced ... > G> I'd be interested to see at least one example ... > E> This was an hypothetical situation. > > I don't know what to reply here. :( > The standards that Brooks, Ed and I have been using in retiring drivers has been "Still relevant to FreeBSD". Although whether or not something was still in production is an input into that, it's not the only factor in decisions made. While that standard is a bit vague, I'm struggling understanding the case for these drivers still being relevant to FreeBSD in the absence of documented actual use, let alone a use case that we can do a cost-benefit analysis on. Warner --0000000000002e9e1705d345f2f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">= <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 8:54 AM Gleb = Smirnoff <<a href=3D"mailto:glebius@freebsd.org">glebius@freebsd.org</a>= > wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px = 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=C2= =A0 Emmanuel,<br> <br> look at this communication:<br> <br> E> And we're doing that just because the drivers compiles ?<br> G> We are doing that because the hardware is still produced ...<br> E> ... a lot of obsolete hardware that we've removed are still produ= ced ...<br> G> I'd be interested to see at least one example ...<br> E> This was an hypothetical situation.<br> <br> I don't know what to reply here. :(<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div= >The standards that Brooks, Ed and I have been using in retiring drivers ha= s been</div><div>"Still relevant to FreeBSD". Although whether or= not something was still in production</div><div>is an input into that, it&= #39;s not the only factor in decisions made.</div><div><br></div><div>While= that standard is a bit vague, I'm struggling understanding the case fo= r these</div><div>drivers still being relevant to FreeBSD in the absence of= documented actual use,</div><div>let alone a use case that we can do a cos= t-benefit analysis on.</div><div><br></div><div>Warner</div></div></div> --0000000000002e9e1705d345f2f2--
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