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Date:      Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:16:27 +0200
From:      Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@ofug.org>
Cc:        mike@FreeBSD.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: Meaningless commit messages [was: cvs commit: ports/www/linux-opera  Makefile]
Message-ID:  <3C04B97B.159D50A2@FreeBSD.org>
References:  <200111272221.AAA47815@ipcard.iptcom.net> <xzp4rnfess2.fsf@flood.ping.uio.no>

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Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:
[portmgr trimmed, because it isn't a portmgr issue] 
> Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@FreeBSD.org> writes:
> > So, could you please explain me how from the above log one could
> > see "why he did it".
> 
> My log message explains precisely why I made that commit.  I do not
> consider the change itself necessary, but someone did, and chose to
> express his opinion in such a confrontational manner that I find it
> hard to regard him as a constructive contributor.

I still do not see why you decided to expose your frustation to
readers of cvs-all list and users of freshports service.

> A more elaborate explanation is that the commit was made to comply
> with one of the many arbitrary and idiosyncratic conventions that make
> working on the ports collection such a frustrating experience for many
> of us.

No, in this particular case this isn't quite "one of the many
arbitrary and idiosyncratic conventions". We have estabilished
convention for ports' version numbers, which doesn't allow for a `-'
delimiter there. This convention helps automatic update tools to
separate name of the port from its version. As I've already explained
in my message to obrien, in this commit you have effectively changed
package version number from incorrect to a correct one. As a result,
package version number seen by automatic update tools has decreased
from 20011122.1 to 6.0.20011122.1, which needs to be addressed by
PORTEPOCH bump, BTW.

> I've been in so many flame wars over so much unecessary
> brokenness in the ports system over time that I've restricted my
> involvment in the ports collection to a strict minimum, and it will
> remain that way until TPTB demonstrate a willingness to fix broken
> tools

Patches are welcome, you know...

> instead of just adopting policies that shuffle such brokenness
> under the carpet, and refusing to acknowledge the existence and value
> of tools such as porteasy.

-Maxim

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