Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:21:39 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman <vince@unsane.co.uk> To: Charles Sprickman <spork@bway.net> Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, "Justin G." <justin@sigsegv.ca>, Steve Bertrand <steve@ibctech.ca> Subject: Re: BGP with OpenBGPd. Message-ID: <49E50C73.6040604@unsane.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <alpine.OSX.2.00.0904141652300.579@hotlap.local> References: <5da021490904131135k7c78b2few5c48ee8b0a001e5@mail.gmail.com> <alpine.OSX.2.00.0904131555580.49636@freemac.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com> <49E489EB.2090802@ibctech.ca> <alpine.OSX.2.00.0904141652300.579@hotlap.local>
next in thread | previous in thread | raw e-mail | index | archive | help
On 14/4/09 22:07, Charles Sprickman wrote: > On Tue, 14 Apr 2009, Steve Bertrand wrote: > >> Charles Sprickman wrote: >> >>> I've been toying with the idea of replacing an aging Cisco with >>> either a >>> used Juniper box or a PC running *BSD. Everytime I look at Quagga or >>> Zebra, I'm not impressed. They both sound quite buggy... >> >> We've been using Quagga (zebra, ospfd, ospf6d, bgpd) for quite some time >> (due to CLI consistency with Cisco as someone else stated). >> >> I don't understand how they "sound" buggy. What exactly are you >> referring to? Which pieces are you concerned with? > > I'm probably reading too much pro-OpenBSD stuff. :) On the > OpenBGPd/OSPFd pages there are a good number of technical > presentations where they explain how their design diverged from the > existing open source routing daemons. > > I also occasionally peruse some WISP forums, and have seen some horror > stories in there, since those guys rely very heavily on homebrew > hardware. > >> All we did was light up a couple of Quagga boxes in the lab, and load >> them up so it replicates our production environment. No problems, we >> went to production. We test anything new in the lab, and then roll it >> out if it is stable. >> >> I've yet to find a bug. Every time I think I've found something, it has >> come down to a simple inconsistency between how I'd do the same thing on >> a Cisco IOS. > > That's understandable, and something I'd also have to deal with on a > used Juniper. FWIW, I can grab loaded M20s for about $6K each. It's > very hard to say no at that price. > >>> How many folks here are doing routing on a PC platform? These days >>> almost all the links we need to support are ethernet, with our DSL >>> stuff >>> being the one exception (ATM OC-3). >> >> We run ~1/2 of our routers on FBSD based hardware that run from either >> USB thumb stick, or CF/SD cards. > > Stock FreeBSD or do you pare it down? How do you handle upgrades? > Install on another flash card and just reboot to the new card? > >> As for your OC3's: >> >> http://www.prosum.net/atm155_E.html > > Wow. Those list for what looks like under $1K US. Impressive. Our > DSL provider is actually going to be moving from giving us an OC-3 for > customer backhaul to a GigE handoff. Details of how this works are > still murky though - if they're going to do a VLAN for each customer, > I'd think they'd run out of VLANs before running out of bandwidth... More likely pppoe sessions, we were looking to move to the 21cn network from BT (we are uk based, BT are the biggest DSL supplier here) which changed from ATM connections (old style) to pppoe in l2tp tunnels on GigE, we tested using 7200's as LNS (L2TP Network Server) because our network manager is a cisco lover :P although I'm reasonably sure net/mpd can do whats needed as an LNS (in fact I used mpd as a LAC to create test sessions to the cisco 7200s using one of the example configs.) Vince > > Thanks for you input... I appreciate it. > > Charles > >> Cheers, >> >> Steve >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
Want to link to this message? Use this URL: <https://mail-archive.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?49E50C73.6040604>