Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 03:13:34 +0300 From: "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" <ache@astral.msk.su> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@freefall.cdrom.com>, Terry Lambert <terry@cs.weber.edu> Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: httpd as part of the system. Message-ID: <ZRk0sSlig6@astral.msk.su> In-Reply-To: <24352.796086769@freefall.cdrom.com>; from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Fri, 24 Mar 1995 15:12:49 -0800 References: <24352.796086769@freefall.cdrom.com>
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In message <24352.796086769@freefall.cdrom.com> Jordan K. Hubbard
writes:
>For example, I've had tons of complaints about gmake or bash not being
>"part of the system", even though both are trivially available as both
>ports and packages. Conversely, I've not received *one* complaint
>from someone who's man command didn't work because they failed to load
>the mandist. It may be a minor line in the sand from a technical
>viewpoint, but it seems to be a pretty major one to the users.
>Perhaps once the ports and packages are more obviously pointed out
>in the installation process, this problem will become less manifest,
>but I hesitate to rely on it.
I have some experience in talking with users too (not especially
about FreeBSD) and think, that installation must be MAXIMAL.
All third-party working stuff must be in distribution,
independent of generally needed or not. Users becames very
happy in this case. I think, we need to write /usr/local/bin/*
and all X stuff to base distribution too.
Those system admins who don't want anything can simple remove it
after install. I know one argument against it: user can't install
FreeBSD on small disk, but from real life I know, that buying
BIG disk for new OS give user less upset than missing anything
in system. Spend money to new hardware he got something which he don't
have, so he becomes more powerful, but when he miss something,
he is really sick.
Long live Maximal Installation!
--
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ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead -
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