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Date:      Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:14:09 -0500
From:      robgar <robgar@mindspring.net>
To:        Andreas Klemm <andreas@klemm.gtn.com>
Cc:        current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: 4.0 code freeze scheduled for Jan 15th
Message-ID:  <20000106121409.A36123@zot.ems.mindspring.net>
In-Reply-To: <20000106154945.A5887@titan.klemm.gtn.com>; from andreas@klemm.gtn.com on Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 03:49:45PM %2B0100
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On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 03:49:45PM +0100, Andreas Klemm wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 12:55:06PM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote:
> > 	More releases more often are better than indefinitely holding up 
> > releases waiting for just that one last thing to be finished.
> 
> Second that. And to follow on that...
> FreeBSD 4.0 will become the new STABLE.
> So 4.0 should become as stable as possible.
> I think there are certainly many people running on FreeBSD 2.x and
> 3.x who wait for something like 4.0 to become a new stable release.
> So we should get them the new STABLE toy !
> 
> In that short timeframe this can only be achieved by
> not including too much new technology into it.
> Otherwise we label something as STABLE which is in fact
> something like a -current with respect to IP V6 and IPSec.
> 
> Additionally it gives developers and customers time to breath.
> 
> IP V6 and IPSec should be integrated into the new 5.0(?)-current.
> 
> With FreeBSD-4.0-RELEASE we will get a rapidly growing user
> base for 4.0 and we'll certainly have enough to do to make
> it really stable for everybody.
> 
> In the meantime people have their new testbed in 5.0-current.
> If the dust has setteled in -current, I'd vote to merge
> IP V6 and IPsec with as much client tools as possible into
> something like 4.1-RELEASE.
> 
> 4.0-STABLE I'd personally not touch with any brand new network
> code. So people have a chance to remain some time on 4.0-RELEASE
> or 4.0-STABLE.
> 
> Another possibility would be to wait until the dust settles
> after merging IP V6 and IPsec into -current and release 
> FreeBSD 4.0 complete with that features at a later time (+1-2 months).
> But that's probably not wanted...
> 
> What do you think of that ?!
> 
> 	Andreas ///

There are many people who use freebsd in the real world that have been counting
on 4.0 including support for ipsec and ipv6, ipsec more importantly. We would
be willing to wait an additional couple of months for this functionality, please
don't make us wait another year or so for this functionality

Robert Garrett




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