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Date:      Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:19:59 -0500
From:      "Paul R. Petitt" <prpetitt@theshop.net>
To:        Rick Hamell <hamellr@aracnet.com>
Cc:        "Dimitrios T." <midios3@hotmail.com>, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: no questions?
Message-ID:  <4.3.2.20000627121718.00af0b60@mail.theshop.net>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0006270913580.31633-100000@shell1.aracnet.co m>
References:  <20000627063745.18078.qmail@hotmail.com>

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And here I thought csh was the default shell for root?
actually there is no real harm in changing root's shell (imho),
If one boots into single user mode, you get plain old sh.


At 09:43 AM 6/27/2000 -0700, Rick Hamell wrote:

> > >Umm... NO....! This is why questions are not supposed to be asked
> > >on -newbies.
> >
> > I thought -newbies was meant for newbies' questions..
> > If not, could anyone, explain to little me, what's the purpose of it?
>
>         That is part of the problem. If you read the First Aid kit post
>that Sue posts about once a month, it explains what this group is
>for. Essentially, questions are meant to be of a 'WHERE' to get
>help/information for those of us who maybe taking their first steps into
>FreeBSD/Unix. -Questions is for HOW questions.
>         For instance, if I ask how to configure IPFW, that belongs in
>questions, but if I ask where to find more info, this would be the
>place. On the same token if I just spent 42 hours getting my DSL running
>with Natd and IPFW and want to tell others about it, this is the
>place. This is also the place to make suggestions on how to improve the
>newbie friendlieness of FreeBSD (though you'll most likely be told to go
>ahead and fix it. :)
>         The reason why questions are not answered here is for the very
>reason I pointed out yesterday. Newbies haven't read all the
>documentation, they've not used the system a lot yet, they've not spent
>enough time reading -Questions to know what the common problems are. The
>question I refer to yesterday comes up about once every two weeks on
>-questions, and there are step by step instructions on how to fix that
>problem.
>         The person who answered was wrong through simple ignorance, which
>I grant is not his fault. But if he'd learned a little bit more he would
>know that BASH is the default shell for root and should never, ever be
>changed under any Unix system. He was also not given any useful
>information on HOW to fix the problem. If that person was say a system
>admin new to FreeBSD and his job (and company!) rely upon that system
>being up... He could possibly lose his job because he was given the wrong
>information to attempt to fix a problem.
>         Now, I'm not trying to put anybody down, I merely wish to
>preserve this group, it serves a useful purpose for the Newbie. But if the
>powers that be see to many questions being answered here, and worse yet
>answered wrong, they will remove this group, especially in light of how
>much trouble it was for Sue and others to create it in the first place.
>
>
>                                         Rick
>
>
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