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Date:      Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:27:33 -0800
From:      "Chris Fox (Excell Data Corporation)" <a-chrisf@exchange.microsoft.com>
To:        <newbies@freebsd.org>
Subject:   RE: MS panel applets; was: BSD or Linux?
Message-ID:  <0A0B36F65A314D4AB8D2CF1D1FD835F101405939@df-muttley.dogfood>
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From: John Murphy [mailto:jfm@blueyonder.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 5:27 PM
To: newbies@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: MS panel applets; was: BSD or Linux?


"Chris Fox (Excell Data Corporation)" <a-chrisf@exchange.microsoft.com>
wrote:

>>And view the things of course :-)  You can launch Word et al from the
>command
>>line within Windows but doing it from an old fashioned DOS prompt 
>>won't
>get
>>you very far.  It doesn't truly count as the command line if it needs 
>>a
>GUI
>>also running to get any worthwhile results.

>Your mailer seems to be wrapping quoted text, adding something called
smime.p7s
>and removing your contribution.

It isn't my mailer, it's my clumsy fingers; I somehow hit send just as I
was starting to type.  

The MIME attachment is an X.509 certificate and should be recognizable
to any operating system; I have the same cert installed under Konqueror
on three Linux distros and it works there.  

What I meant to say before I fat-fingered away the email was that it
took me about five minutes using BASH before I couldn't stand CMD.EXE
anymore.  I've known UNIX commandline stuff for years before I used UNIX
(we have all those tools on the Windows side, ported by MKS and GNU) but
I had never used a real shell, other than ksh for a few months long ago.

However: to say that Windows is somehow deficient because there are no
commandline tools to do what the GUI tools do is kind of silly.  I would
never suggest that some version of Linux sucks because it lacks GUI
tools to do the configuration; UNIX is first and foremost a commandline
environment and Windows is first and foremost a GUI environment.  I'm
not dancing in the middle of the road here, but I use both, I like both,
both have their respective strengths and weaknesses.  And someone like
me who can use a GUI without a mouse will outperform both the
commandline wizard and the grin-and-click GUI user.  

Really, guys, I didn't sign up for these lists to read most of that
slashdot MS-bashing.  Yeah I work here, sue me, but I really like BSD
and I would rather learn about it without hearing about how much people
hate Windows.  Give it a rest, and help me become a good BSD citizen,
OK?

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