Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:57:39 +0100 From: Alex de Kruijff <freebsd@akruijff.dds.nl> To: peter lageotakes <plageotakes@yahoo.com> Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Learning to Walk: A Linux User Migrates to FreeBSD Message-ID: <20031030135738.GA487@dds.nl> In-Reply-To: <20031025204839.39160.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031025183803.GD4914@dds.nl> <20031025204839.39160.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com>
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On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 01:48:39PM -0700, peter lageotakes wrote: > > --- Alex de Kruijff <freebsd@akruijff.dds.nl> wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 08:49:25AM +0300, Giorgos > > Keramidas wrote: > > > On 2003-10-24 14:47, Alex de Kruijff > > <freebsd@akruijff.dds.nl> wrote: > > > >On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 07:17:20PM -0700, peter > > lageotakes wrote: > > > >> This is the follow up (part 2) to Babe in the > > Woods: A > > > >> Linux User Migrates to FreeBSD. > > > >> > > > >> Interesting article. However I disagree with > > the views > > > >> about handbook being written at the admin. > > level (and > > > >> more). The article could be more positive. > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=269 > > > > > > > > I say this is prity positive considering his > > previous article about > > > > 5.0. I feel that he gives _his_ fair point of > > view on FreeBSD. > > > > Strainge that top didn' run, i didn't had this > > happening to me. > > > > > > This is very likely a result of more serious > > problems with the /dev > > > directory of the installation (like the missing > > /dev/null described in > > > the article). > > > > > > I'll agree that it is a rather fair article, > > despite my reservations > > > regarding the problems described. I've installed > > 4.8-REL a lot of times > > > but didn't have any of the same problems. The > > fact that someone else > > > did, which is probably unsurprising for newcomers > > to FreeBSD, doesn't > > > mean that I'm super smart or that the authors of > > the article are silly > > > either. The installation process depends on very > > scrutinous attention > > > to details whose significance isn't yet very > > apparent when one is a > > > FreeBSD newbie. This is what the documentation > > team is trying to help > > > about by writing the Handbook and the rest of the > > docs. > > > > > > Let's hope that the quality of the existing > > documentation and the future > > > efforts of the doc team make problematic cases > > like the one described in > > > the article less and less frequent :-) > > > > Its not just the doc team who arre responcible for > > the succes of > > FreeBSD. Its the whole team, including amoung > > others, the doc-team, > > developers, core and the users on the lists > > (esecialy those on > > questions, newbie, stable and current). > > The install process in the handbook is very detailed. > I dont believe that is an issue (imho). One aspect I > think might need a small amount of clairification is > release, stable and new technology relase (etc). That > seems to be a small stumbling block for new users to > FreeBSD. I would also think the handbook is good the way it is. I think the mail problem with the handbook is that people don't read it. I feel this is essecialy true for newcommers. The freebsd fourtune might help with this. Like showing messages that adverstise the handbook. (i.e. "Do you wan't to have a NFS server? Read -url to nfs chapter-" and follow with if it still doesn't work send a mail to questions@) This obviously won't point someone who has trouble installing FreeBSD to the handbook. But it might show a large number of other newbies that the handbook has a large number of issues solved. -- Alex Articles based on solutions that I use: http://www.kruijff.org/alex/index.php?dir=docs/FreeBSD/
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