Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 09:22:10 +0200 From: =?utf-8?Q?Klaus_K=C3=BCchemann?= <maciphone2@googlemail.com> To: Michael Gmelin <grembo@freebsd.org>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Accessibility in the FreeBSD installer and console Message-ID: <4B9142D0-626B-43B0-A8EF-A71CB655E080@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <788EF362-E06B-4BA9-BDDB-E550D35E21CB@freebsd.org> References: <080B179E-359E-4796-BFC8-0AAC65089100@googlemail.com> <788EF362-E06B-4BA9-BDDB-E550D35E21CB@freebsd.org>
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> Am 10.07.2022 um 01:59 schrieb Michael Gmelin <grembo@freebsd.org>: >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 9. Jul 2022, at 03:22, Klaus K=C3=BCchemann = <maciphone2@googlemail.com> wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BF >>> Am 07.07.2022 um 19:32 schrieb Hans Petter Selasky <hps at = selasky.org>: >>>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> The only argument I've heard from some non-sighted friends about not = using FreeBSD natively is that ooh, MacOSX is so cool. It starts = speaking from the start if I press this and this key. =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> I would like to shortly introduce myself. >> I am indispensable for all your friends and everybody else >> and yes, I can speak (and I can even hear)- >> I am the de facto standard for everything audio for Apple users and I = even can=20 >> make users of other OSes very very happy. >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Am 08.07.2022 um 12:53 schrieb Hans Petter Selasky <hps at = selasky.org>: >>> Hi, >>> Here is the complete patch for Voice-Over in the FreeBSD console: >>>=20 >>> https://reviews.freebsd.org/D35754 >>>=20 >>> You need to install espeak from pkg and then install the = /etc/devd/accessibility.conf file and then run sysctl = kern.vt.accessibility.enable=3D1 after booting the new kernel. >>>=20 >>> It is freaking awesome! >>>=20 >>> There might be some bugs, but it worked fine for me! >>>=20 >>> =E2=80=94HPS >>=20 >> Congratulations !=20 >>=20 >> But while reading the docs of your system`s bluetooth drivers I = became a bit afraid=20 >> that I won=E2=80=99t be fully supported , I hope this is unfounded. >>=20 >> It=E2=80=99s not only that I=E2=80=99m a shiny white culty thing .. >> your friends can leave me in their ears and can simultaneously hear = the surroundings AND the Audio output. >> That=E2=80=99s why I=E2=80=99m indispensable=E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> Will you ensure that at least one bt-chip will support me in your = system and will you=20 >> care for the corresponding drivers? >>=20 >> If yes I would be happy to meet you in your VT-console , >>=20 >> And when you later even support vice versa:=20 >> -SpeechToText- , >> It=E2=80=99s possible that we become friends for life . >>=20 >>=20 >> Best Regards, >> yours=20 >>=20 >> AirPodsPro :-)=20 >=20 Hi, > But why would you ever leave your family that was designed from the = ground up to match you and any need you could potentially have? Of course : home sweet home.. but after these pandemic times, you're = always happy to receive invitations from other families. I=E2=80=99m nearly sure that HPS voiceOver invitation to his = Macuser-friends will be a successful event if e.g. me, the AirPods Pro=20= Would have been supported by a boot-script or similar by default, just a = suggestion , and I am supported by many OSes, not only that from my = creator. > And why would you not share any word your "owner" (the person who = spent money on you, so they could use you) says with your creator and = all its connected systems and entities, so that they could be fully = analyzed and monetized? my current owner doesn't like being reminded that he doesn=E2=80=99t own = much which could be monetized :-) >=20 > -m yours AirPods Pro >=20 > p.s. seriously, if you want the full Apple experience, you really = should stay within their ecosystem. Trying to compete with that (with = all its questionable implications in terms of digital sovereignty) is = pointless, especially if you are neither broke nor care too much about = privacy. If these things mean nothing to you, just buy the off the shelf = solution and save the time that tinkering with free alternatives (that = will never be as smooth as "the real thing") would require and spend it = on things that mean something to you (friends, family, charity). p.s. (not everything strictly seriously;-). , what you say about the = full Apple experience applies to many (Desktop) Macusers but, well, = some years ago Apple cut out every integrated OpenSource web services = and other services from MacOS Server (for good reasons) and left Mac = administrators alone with these always buggy OpenSource Operating = Systems, then you get used to these free tinker alternatives. and after = a while you even feel comfortably at the vfs_ mount root-prompt, just = to type in a question mark short before panic :-) =E2=80=A6=20 I assume that HPS` VoiceOver port to FreeBSD is dedicated to Mac = addicts=20 And because of that : Isn=E2=80=99t it more =E2=80=9Eprivacy" with the = AirPods Pro for this usecase than with e.g. USB-speakers where = everybody around can hear what comes out ;-) =20 K. ..thanks for writing and of course I leave this thread now because I = know this is a technical mailing list, and not suitable for = philosophizing, but nevertheless very interesting and thumbs up for HPS = VoiceOver project
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