Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 16:25:59 -0600 From: Christer Edwards <christer.edwards@gmail.com> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Accessibility in the FreeBSD installer and console Message-ID: <CAH2d3%2Bvj7Bx4QTRuR-3rUGq%2Bi4k%2BN6FbiSuyMZF9Kd2=-Geszg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <e883b885-ac83-3ebb-e79b-afd83fee64e0@selasky.org> References: <080B179E-359E-4796-BFC8-0AAC65089100@googlemail.com> <788EF362-E06B-4BA9-BDDB-E550D35E21CB@freebsd.org> <4B9142D0-626B-43B0-A8EF-A71CB655E080@googlemail.com> <e883b885-ac83-3ebb-e79b-afd83fee64e0@selasky.org>
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--0000000000001b525d05e37aec31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" unsubscribe On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 3:55 PM Hans Petter Selasky <hps@selasky.org> wrote: > Hi Klaus and Michael, > > I've tried to make some graphical QT v6.x cross platform so-called > accessible applications. It is really hard to get it right. If you use > one QT widget, everything is read perfectly in MacOS and if you use > another QT widget, or a custom one, it is just not working. Or if you > have a text editor you need to make sure you can tab out of it. > > Then a friend of mine said he started to use mac-ports and asked if I > can port my applications from AppStore to there, because it is so much > easier for him to use --- sigh, why could he not just re-install his Mac > M1 with FreeBSD. pkg has just about everything he needs! Only that he > needs to learn a few things the FreeBSD way. > > FreeBSD could beep all sound cards from 0 to 9 during single user mode > for example, to indicate something is wrong. Some kind of espeak daemon > could also be started from single user-mode. > > FreeBSD could technically support USB audio from the USB loader. We do > have a USB stack which can be built as a single-threaded blob into the > loader, but probably using the bell character via the BIOS is simpler. > > Many times when I see people use FreeBSD it is through Windows or MacOS. > There is nothing wrong about that. I personally however prefer Windows > through FreeBSD. Now if you would listen to me for a bit you will get > why FreeBSD may be your only bet. Both Apple and Microsoft are totally > tied up companies. I claim they can't do anything about computer > programs that violates copyright law. You will be completely banned from > their stores. But who would need to break "the law" to do something > which most other people can do by not breaking the law? > > I've personally had a dream about being able to play the piano, but my > brain simply won't do it. So I made a computer program to fill the gaps. > The problem is that many so-called TAB sites are full of "stupid" > copyright protections, obfuscating all the simple plain-text everyone > else can see with their plain eyes, I just need it for my program, with > tons JavaScript parsing, to make the text non-machine readable: > > Go here first and look at the CPU-usage and HTML source: > https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/ > > Then go here and compare: > https://nortabs.net > > And nobody wants to use a program that can only play a 100 Norwegian > songs, when UG has 1.4 million multi-national songs available, in > exactly right format I need. You will find people tried to talk to UG, > but with no success. > > Is it legal to download movies using the Pirate bay if you are blind? > Say you want all sub-titles on a braille device and need > machine-readable subtitles? > > What if you have some kind of other disability and really need > machine-readable formats to do your job? > > It's like being allowed to remove the copyright protection from that > PDF, because you are not blind or deaf, but something else, which in the > future will be mitigated by a machine. > > The only option for Apple, Google and Microsoft products, is so-called > jail-breaking and cracks, which often gets your device infected by viruses. > > Apple says that all browsers on iOS must use the WebKit layout engine. > That is so clever and I see another reason why. They don't want anyone > to have access to machine readable formats, because then someone could > remove all the ADs or someone could clone all the TABs on UG or blah > blah blah. > > What prevents you from feeding audio of an e-book back into Google > translate and selling the resulting text? > > What prevents you from OCR-ing ultimate-guitar? > > It's getting late here now and I think I've shared enough thoughts for > today. Hope you find something meaningful in what I've written. > > --HPS > > --0000000000001b525d05e37aec31 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e,monospace;font-size:small">unsubscribe</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail= _quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 3:55 = PM Hans Petter Selasky <<a href=3D"mailto:hps@selasky.org">hps@selasky.o= rg</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi= n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex= ">Hi Klaus and Michael,<br> <br> I've tried to make some graphical QT v6.x cross platform so-called <br> accessible applications. It is really hard to get it right. If you use <br> one QT widget, everything is read perfectly in MacOS and if you use <br> another QT widget, or a custom one, it is just not working. Or if you <br> have a text editor you need to make sure you can tab out of it.<br> <br> Then a friend of mine said he started to use mac-ports and asked if I <br> can port my applications from AppStore to there, because it is so much <br> easier for him to use --- sigh, why could he not just re-install his Mac <b= r> M1 with FreeBSD. pkg has just about everything he needs! Only that he <br> needs to learn a few things the FreeBSD way.<br> <br> FreeBSD could beep all sound cards from 0 to 9 during single user mode <br> for example, to indicate something is wrong. Some kind of espeak daemon <br= > could also be started from single user-mode.<br> <br> FreeBSD could technically support USB audio from the USB loader. We do <br> have a USB stack which can be built as a single-threaded blob into the <br> loader, but probably using the bell character via the BIOS is simpler.<br> <br> Many times when I see people use FreeBSD it is through Windows or MacOS. <b= r> There is nothing wrong about that. I personally however prefer Windows <br> through FreeBSD. Now if you would listen to me for a bit you will get <br> why FreeBSD may be your only bet. Both Apple and Microsoft are totally <br> tied up companies. I claim they can't do anything about computer <br> programs that violates copyright law. You will be completely banned from <b= r> their stores. But who would need to break "the law" to do somethi= ng <br> which most other people can do by not breaking the law?<br> <br> I've personally had a dream about being able to play the piano, but my = <br> brain simply won't do it. So I made a computer program to fill the gaps= . <br> The problem is that many so-called TAB sites are full of "stupid"= <br> copyright protections, obfuscating all the simple plain-text everyone <br> else can see with their plain eyes, I just need it for my program, with <br= > tons JavaScript parsing, to make the text non-machine readable:<br> <br> Go here first and look at the CPU-usage and HTML source:<br> <a href=3D"https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_= blank">https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/</a><br>; <br> Then go here and compare:<br> <a href=3D"https://nortabs.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https:= //nortabs.net</a><br> <br> And nobody wants to use a program that can only play a 100 Norwegian <br> songs, when UG has 1.4 million multi-national songs available, in <br> exactly right format I need. You will find people tried to talk to UG, <br> but with no success.<br> <br> Is it legal to download movies using the Pirate bay if you are blind? <br> Say you want all sub-titles on a braille device and need <br> machine-readable subtitles?<br> <br> What if you have some kind of other disability and really need <br> machine-readable formats to do your job?<br> <br> It's like being allowed to remove the copyright protection from that <b= r> PDF, because you are not blind or deaf, but something else, which in the <b= r> future will be mitigated by a machine.<br> <br> The only option for Apple, Google and Microsoft products, is so-called <br> jail-breaking and cracks, which often gets your device infected by viruses.= <br> <br> Apple says that all browsers on iOS must use the WebKit layout engine. <br> That is so clever and I see another reason why. They don't want anyone = <br> to have access to machine readable formats, because then someone could <br> remove all the ADs or someone could clone all the TABs on UG or blah <br> blah blah.<br> <br> What prevents you from feeding audio of an e-book back into Google <br> translate and selling the resulting text?<br> <br> What prevents you from OCR-ing ultimate-guitar?<br> <br> It's getting late here now and I think I've shared enough thoughts = for <br> today. Hope you find something meaningful in what I've written.<br> <br> --HPS<br> <br> </blockquote></div> --0000000000001b525d05e37aec31--
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