Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:59:26 -0400 From: "Drew Derbyshire" <avatar+Sept2001@kew.com> To: "Greg Lehey" <grog@FreeBSD.org> Cc: <john_wilson100@excite.com> Subject: Be generous in what you accept ... (was Re: VINUM PANIC ON -STABLE) Message-ID: <008601c13e4a$d5455f80$94cba8c0@xena> References: <33343543.1000596877983.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> <20024143.1000581976859.JavaMail.imail@doby.excite.com> <20010916093820.I26893@wantadilla.lemis.com>
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[FreeBSD-Stable changed to blind CC. Copied at all despite my better judgement because it's something we all need to remember and understand.] > You did. It was in the reject message. You apparently chose to > ignore it. Greg, My $0.02. If I got a message saying you were bouncing mail from my entire domain, I'd "ignore it" too -- and I control my own server. > You've made me go and look in the logs: As I also agressively bounce suspect mail, I review my mail exceptions *every* morning, so innocent people caught by my traps can still commicate our humble domain. Checking one's logs if you've got unique exception processing is not a chore, it's a duty. > Sep 14 10:58:46 wantadilla postfix/smtpd[17429]: reject: RCPT from ewey-rwcmta.excite.com[198.3.99.191]: 550 <john_wilson100@excite.com>: Sender address rejected: " Mail rejected. See http://www.lemis.com/dontspam.html"; from=<john_wilson100@excite.com> to=<grog@lemis.com> > > Do you understand now? Understanding and changing are two different things. You assume people can randomly revamp their entire email setup to communicate with you when they have other problems, like dead systems. You beat me up in the past about using Outlook Express and its unfortunate formatting, and you're flogging John because his otherwise valid mail didn't meet your unpublished standards. Telling someone to switch (legitimate) services because people forge mail from it is one most selfish things I seen on the net in months. What if lemis.com becomes the next popular forged domain? You going to ban yourself? If you want VINUM to succeed, you need to be a little kinder to the people who want to communicate with you so the discussion can proceed to the technical issues. -ahd- p.s. If you're annoyed about forged mail from Excite, AOL or Hotmail addresses, use a cross-check on the SMTP sending client vs. the sender domain. Works wonders, I had one for sendmail. The (now obsolete) code still on ftp://ftp.kew.com/pub/unix/vigilante. I haven't done one for Postfix yet (which I now run as well). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
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