Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 09:52:52 +0900 From: Denis Polygalov <dpolyg@gmail.com> To: Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>, Sergey Manucharian <sm@ara-ler.com> Cc: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.3-RELEASE and 11.2-RELEASE images fail to boot on BeagleBone Black Message-ID: <51af8373-6542-cdb2-b810-1d968fd4c7b9@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <900bc3467c7e28f58e8e6cf17e881bdefcb3b751.camel@freebsd.org> References: <8352f841-0522-9f45-148d-d2948e97857e@gmail.com> <20190713152404.GJ1503@dendrobates> <b6876ce7-5147-5f1a-d712-3515e124cd36@gmail.com> <6b3dcec02b425a8559605b4e6c5ada19ee642728.camel@freebsd.org> <20190713194256.GK1503@dendrobates> <85e35455-793a-84fe-c8cf-39b89ade7c11@gmail.com> <900bc3467c7e28f58e8e6cf17e881bdefcb3b751.camel@freebsd.org>
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Oh, I see. Now it makes a lot more sense for me. Thanks for clarification. I came from Tier 1 supported amd64 which I use in production for decade and I'm quite sure many other people in the same situation will also be confused. I knew that FreeBSD-NN-RELEASE is not a bleeding edge. This is exactly what I want - not a bleeding edge but OS with it's binary packages infrastructure that can be used for building something *on top* of it. This is BTW is what Stefan from neighbor thread "recreate FreeBSD 12 ARM image" is trying to achieve. Presence of not-working RELEASE images confuse new people a lot and the reason why these images are not working is the lack of new people... I'm not sure what to do in this situation - leave as is, do not generate RELEASE images (only STABLE etc.) or state clearly in the wiki (ideally in the bold red font :) that the RELEASE images may not work at all, but just at least anyone who will read this - > because releases > that actually work seem like an important thing for a tier-1 platform yes, they are. And I guess one of conditions of how to become a Tier 1 platform is to make RELEASE images working :) Thanks for a lot of effort for making FreeBSD running on ARM! Regards, Denis On 15/07/2019 1:04 am, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Sun, 2019-07-14 at 10:34 +0900, Denis Polygalov wrote: >> Does FreeBSD-12.0-RELEASE-arm64-aarch64-PINE64.img.xz works >> out of the box or only it's bleeding edge snapshot? > > Right there, I think, is the root of your confusion. FreeBSD-NN- > RELEASE is not bleeding edge. In fact, it's the exact opposite of > that, it's a moment frozen in time that will never change again, so if > it's broken, it will be broken forever. > > That's why I've talked several times in terms of "weekly snapshots" and > "12-STABLE" which is NOT 12-RELEASE. > > For any given freebsd "release" it's kinda likely, sad to say, that one > or several or even all the arm boards are broken. Then, the weekly > snapshot that comes out for the corresponding -STABLE branch the week > after the release may be fixed and work just fine. > > Such is life for a tier-2 platform. Two or three years ago it looked > like arm was at the point where it should be a tier-1 platform, and I > put a lot of effort into things like testing releases, because releases > that actually work seem like an important thing for a tier-1 platform. > Eventually it became clear to me that arm was never going to be a tier- > 1 platform in freebsd. We had met all the requirements as near as I > could tell, but no matter how many times it was brought up, it just got > ignored. Politics or something, I guess, I dunno. But it was 100% > demotivating, and so now I put 0% effort into things like worrying > about whether something-RELEASE actually works. > > -- Ian > > >help
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