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Date:      Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:31:57 -0500
From:      Mikhail Teterin <mi+kde@aldan.algebra.com>
To:        Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>
Cc:        chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: legitimacy of core (Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object)
Message-ID:  <200302061031.57296@aldan>
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030205195726.00e5b5a0@localhost>
References:  <4.3.2.7.2.20030205174625.029e7ee0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030205195726.00e5b5a0@localhost>

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On Wednesday 05 February 2003 10:00 pm, Brett Glass wrote:
= At 07:08 PM 2/5/2003, Mikhail Teterin wrote:

= >Now, that you've conceded, that the popular vote was not supposed to
= >affect the choice of president, you should apologise for your attempt
= >to mislead your audience into thinking, it was :-)
=
= I was not being misleading.

You accused GWB of becoming a president _against_ the popular vote.
That implied, the popular vote was supposed decide something. Now that
I squeezed you, you conceded, that it was not, but instead -- _in your
opinion_ -- it should have been. That substitution of your opinion for
laws and facts is what was misleading. Since you yourself _knew_ the
laws and the facts, apparently, the misleading was intentional :-(

= I consider the Electoral College to be a bug, not a feature. As you
= may recall, it was created due to elitism on the part of the Founding
= Fathers; they believed that there had to be a layer of protection
= against the "rabble" making a poor decision.

No, it was designed to keep more value in being a separate state. The
"rabble" can still make a poor decision -- in selecting the delegates.
(It is adorable, that you stand up for the "rabble", but the fear of
it is quite justified -- if you know about the Socrates' fate, for
example.)

= 200 years later, experience worldwide has shown that direct suffrage
= works best.

Where? How do you come to that? On the contrary, US being the most
powerfull country for most of the last 100 years, I'd say _our_ system
works best.

= >= Nor should the president be chosen by the Supreme Court.

= >Better that than a lot of other possibilities. (Ivory Coast?
= >Venezuella?)

= Or the current means of choosing -core (he says, trying to get the
= conversation back on topic).

You've already admitted, you don't know, how core is chosen. And the
cabal intends to keep you in the dark...

Your FreeBSD-related questions in this thread were already answered,
it seems, so I'll try to restrain myself from continuing off-topic
on this list. Yours,

	-mi


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