Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 21:52:06 -0700 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> Cc: FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, Ed Maste <emaste@freebsd.org>, "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com> Subject: Re: Removing fdisk and bsdlabel (legacy partition tools) Message-ID: <CANCZdfq051%2BzshHBLEdGcMjsR%2BPyYYQJ5aSOHvTTtcoF-3zZYQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <0C644400-6E75-4137-8E37-C3CF632381D0@cschubert.com> References: <CAPyFy2CK0Vq8U6J-H4XU3pNA33-uKAxUoNOAbM9SdSFa0Bcqkg@mail.gmail.com> <202401242042.40OKgv8P087348@dell.no.berklix.net> <CAPyFy2AYk6og4bVbOSrgbQ9LApxqEO2AOqucvFvmEaMpyBa44A@mail.gmail.com> <0C644400-6E75-4137-8E37-C3CF632381D0@cschubert.com>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] On Sat, Jan 27, 2024, 1:26 PM Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> wrote: > On January 26, 2024 7:13:15 PM PST, Ed Maste <emaste@freebsd.org> wrote: > >On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 at 15:43, Julian H. Stacey <jhs@berklix.com> wrote: > >> > >> Probably many do, clueless there's a proposal to remove them, > >> as many wont be tracking lists (I havent been tracking lately, > >> focused on moving home, other will have other distractions) > > > >As Rod suggested I'll have the tools emit a warning when they are run, > >so that those users will become aware. > >https://reviews.freebsd.org/D43585 > >https://reviews.freebsd.org/D43586 > > > > We can also point people to the two new ports. > The other thing we learned was that people use the installer to do interesting things in the emergency holographic shell or the installer w/o installing a system. We should look at ways we can shift to "mfs" so pkg add can work in that env. Then the basis of the objections collapse. Then it won't matter it isn't in base. Pkg add whatever recovery tools you think you need or like to use, formerly in base or no... sure, it will go away... but 99% of things are useful right away w/o a reboot... I don't think it would be a hard project... likely one that could be done by creating a miniroot that can create the mfs, extract a tarnall to it then pivot root to that.... pkg could be bootsrrapped and it would be easy from there... Warner -- > Cheers, > Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> > FreeBSD UNIX: <cy@FreeBSD.org> Web: https://FreeBSD.org > NTP: <cy@nwtime.org> Web: https://nwtime.org > e^(i*pi)+1=0 > > Pardon the typos. Small keyboard in use. > > [-- Attachment #2 --] <div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 27, 2024, 1:26 PM Cy Schubert <<a href="mailto:Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com">Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On January 26, 2024 7:13:15 PM PST, Ed Maste <<a href="mailto:emaste@freebsd.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">emaste@freebsd.org</a>> wrote:<br> >On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 at 15:43, Julian H. Stacey <<a href="mailto:jhs@berklix.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jhs@berklix.com</a>> wrote:<br> >><br> >> Probably many do, clueless there's a proposal to remove them,<br> >> as many wont be tracking lists (I havent been tracking lately,<br> >> focused on moving home, other will have other distractions)<br> ><br> >As Rod suggested I'll have the tools emit a warning when they are run,<br> >so that those users will become aware.<br> ><a href="https://reviews.freebsd.org/D43585" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://reviews.freebsd.org/D43585</a><br>; ><a href="https://reviews.freebsd.org/D43586" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://reviews.freebsd.org/D43586</a><br>; ><br> <br> We can also point people to the two new ports.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The other thing we learned was that people use the installer to do interesting things in the emergency holographic shell or the installer w/o installing a system. We should look at ways we can shift to "mfs" so pkg add can work in that env. Then the basis of the objections collapse. Then it won't matter it isn't in base. Pkg add whatever recovery tools you think you need or like to use, formerly in base or no... sure, it will go away... but 99% of things are useful right away w/o a reboot...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I don't think it would be a hard project... likely one that could be done by creating a miniroot that can create the mfs, extract a tarnall to it then pivot root to that.... pkg could be bootsrrapped and it would be easy from there...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Warner</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> -- <br> Cheers,<br> Cy Schubert <<a href="mailto:Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com</a>><br> FreeBSD UNIX: <cy@FreeBSD.org> Web: <a href="https://FreeBSD.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://FreeBSD.org</a><br>; NTP: <<a href="mailto:cy@nwtime.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">cy@nwtime.org</a>> Web: <a href="https://nwtime.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://nwtime.org</a><br>; e^(i*pi)+1=0<br> <br> Pardon the typos. Small keyboard in use.<br> <br> </blockquote></div></div></div>
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