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Date:      Fri, 7 May 1999 11:05:58 -0500
From:      Karl Denninger <karl@Denninger.Net>
To:        mjacob@feral.com
Cc:        freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Question - Onstream SCSI Streamer
Message-ID:  <19990507110558.A614@Denninger.Net>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9905070853180.516-100000@feral.com>; from Matthew Jacob on Fri, May 07, 1999 at 09:00:06AM -0700
References:  <19990507103814.B431@Denninger.Net> <Pine.LNX.4.04.9905070853180.516-100000@feral.com>

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On Fri, May 07, 1999 at 09:00:06AM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote:
> > On Fri, May 07, 1999 at 08:33:41AM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote:
> > > On Fri, 7 May 1999, Karl Denninger wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hmmm.... immediate rewinds?  You mean implied rewinds on close, and no way
> > > > to override them?  That would limit you to one dump per tape, no?
> > > 
> > > No, the 'immediate bit' in a rewind.
> > 
> > Ah.  Ok.
> > 
> > That would, I think, be relatively quick to take care of, no?
> 
> Yes.

Given that I could write either one dump per tape, or with dump (which 
knows what its reading and writing, therefore doesn't really "need" 
filemarks, right?) it would work - no?

How difficult would it be to fix just that part of things, and would it get
the desired result (usability with dump only)?

> > Software filemarks (the drive doesn't know how to write them?!) could be a 
> > bigger problem.
> 
> Yes. Onstream has said that they want to specify more carefully what the
> soft filemarks will look like.

Grrr...

> > > > I'm willing to take a look at this (since I have one) provided I can wrangle
> > > > enough information to actually do so.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > I'm waiting for that information  myself.
> > 
> > Hmmm... that sounds like an indefinite timeframe.
> 
> No- they've said they'd get that information and unit to me RSN. I believe
> they're doing the manual this month. I expect to get a unit and a manual
> by the end of June at the latest. It'll take a couple weeks of work I
> suspect- there's more than just the rewind, etc..But no promises.

Well that's quite the pickle for me...

> > Does anyone have hacks to get even partial functionality?  I'm flat-out of
> > reasonable options with the DATs that I've been using (you know, the old
> > "data grows" problem) and I've got the fun problem of either finding a
> > solution to this via the ADR drives or returning it and going with DLT
> > (about 4x the price).
> 
> Oddly enough I've found the HP T20 Travan-5 a reasonable price performer-
> but if you're saying a DDS3 isn't doing it for you, that's not an option.
> What's the limiting factor? Cost? At 12GB nominal per tape for a DDS-3
> you'll need 4-5 to match each Onstream cartridge- so you get a bigger
> jukebox.

Running dumps to a juke doesn't work if a single filesystem doesn't fit 
on a tape.  Unfortunately I am in the position of having a lot of already
compressed files on big disks and filesystems.

The result is that a single filesystem dump doesn't fit on one tape.
Therefore, I can't run anything on automatic.  This is a serious problem
from a standpoint of actually getting the dumps done.

60 days is not a good timeframe for me; I'll live if I have to, and probably
will keep the drive in that instance, but even partial functionality would
serve since my needs are only for dump(8) to work.

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