Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:16:22 +0930 From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> To: John-Mark Gurney <gurney_j@resnet.uoregon.edu> Cc: Alfred Perlstein <bright@rush.net>, Paolo Di Francesco <paipai@tin.it>, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG, postmaster@tin.it Subject: Complete incompetence in Telecom Italia (was: Read this...) Message-ID: <19990511121621.W22791@freebie.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <19990510193512.11240@hydrogen.nike.efn.org>; from John-Mark Gurney on Mon, May 10, 1999 at 07:35:12PM -0700 References: <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> <Pine.BSF.3.96.990510214434.24802O-100000@cygnus.rush.net> <19990510193512.11240@hydrogen.nike.efn.org>
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On Monday, 10 May 1999 at 19:35:12 -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > Alfred Perlstein scribbled this message on May 10: >> folks... it's baaaaaaaaaack... :/ >> On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>> Alfred Perlstein wrote: >>>>> Will someone with more courage and experiance than I please speak up about >>>>> this, perhaps contact sun? >>>> >>> >>>> Please _don't_ ask Sun for anything until you have a working port on >>>> limited hardware. I doubt that anyone following this list would be >>>> prepared to spend $$$ based on what has been said so far. Those people >>>> who have access to Sun machines should be able to do a port with neither >>>> financial nor moral support from Sun. If you want this sort of support, >>>> you have to earn it. >>> >>> Let me explain the meaning of the word "support" from my personal point of >>> view: >>> >>> 1) I haven't any Sun Hardware. I'm a student and I cannot pay 3000$ for a Sun >>> Ultra5, only to "play" with it. I would have an AXi motherboard (good for >>> experiments) but it costs too much. So, for the hardware I would have something >>> like 50% of the price (no free hardware, at actual stage). Why Sun could give >>> me/us this: I have not 3000$, and actually there are few persons with an Ultra >>> box, so _if_ Sun wants more developers on this project they must help in some >>> way. This is the situation it's not "charity"... Please note also the word >>> "Open" also means: I can buy it for a good price. >>> >>> 2) Docs, pdf and other things.... On Intel you can find _anything_ about "how >>> it boots", "how it works", books and docs. If you go in a bookstore you can >>> find many books about "everything". Not the same situation on Sparc. >>> So again: "Open" means I can read "how it works" without paying 500$... >>> >>> 3) Moral support. Actually, if Sun (SME) will put something on-line about the >>> harware we can do a good job (something that works/boots on limited hardware) >>> with no moral support. We can do experiments where "I don't know how it works" >>> and read where "it's documented at page..." >>> >>> Thanks for youe time 8) > > yeh, I noticed incase you try it, don't: > a) send mail to postmaster@fep01-svc.tin.it where this message > is coming from, it doesn't exist > b) send mail to poastmaster@mail.tin.it, they refuse to relay > mail to themselves > > I have sent mail to jmb to help fix this problem and mail to > postmaster@tin.it actually succeeded, but considering their dns problems > I doubt they will respond, let alone actually fix the problems they > have.. We can always hope though... I have sent several messages to postmaster@tin.it, and to everybody else in every way responsible for this domain. I have had no reply. I have had very a good relationship with Telecom Italia in the past. Obviously, though, the people who run their Internet connection are completely incompetent people who put the whole company to shame. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message
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