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Date:      Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:56:54 -0600
From:      "Long, Scott" <Scott_Long@adaptec.com>
To:        "'Terry Lambert'" <tlambert2@mindspring.com>, Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com>
Cc:        Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org>, FreeBSD current users <current@freebsd.org>, "'kirk@mckusick.com'" <kirk@mckusick.com>
Subject:   RE: something funny with soft updates?
Message-ID:  <2C7CBDC6EA58D6119E4A00065B3A24CB0463ED@btcexc01.btc.adaptec.com>

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Terry Lambert wrote:
> Matthew Dillon wrote:
> > :there may not be anything wrong but I expected more improvement.
> > :I remember that when I first committed softupdates it made 
> a noticable
> > :difference....
> > 
> >     Julian, please note that a buildworld does *NOT* 
> seriously exercise
> >     the filesystem.  I/O ops are mostly reads.  The only area where
> >     softupdates might have a major effect would be the rm -rf of the
> >     object tree at the beginning.
> 
> I still want to know why his KSE numbers were better than the
> non-KSE numbers when KSE was not using soft updates, and they
> are the same, now that he *is* using soft updates.
> 
> In general, there is (was?) a positive difference in buildworld
> times when using soft updates, and Julian seems to have now
> demonstrated that this is no longer the case.
> 
> It would be interesting to find out what broke and who broke it,
> which is what I think he's asking, and recover the speedup, and
> find out if it's all in the object tree delete, or not (I think
> that Julian starts without an object tree for this masurement,
> right?).
> 
> Maybe the difference in speed is related to the UFS2 commit?
> 
> -- Terry
> 

I'm seeing similar weirdness in 4.6-STABLE.  It seems to be especially
pronounced on RAID arrays (irregardless of hardware vs software RAID).
Memory size doesn't seem to make a difference, as an unloaded 2GB
machine of mine behaves in exactly the same way.

Scott

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