Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:17:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey <chuckr@picnic.mat.net> To: Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com> Cc: David Scheidt <dscheidt@enteract.com>, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bsd.lib.mk "@"'s Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9906071515250.679-100000@picnic.mat.net> In-Reply-To: <199906071914.NAA08597@mt.sri.com>
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On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Nate Williams wrote: > > > > Why are many of the build lines in bsd.lib.mk hidden with leading @'s, > > > > so that they don't display in the build? This is useless, it hides > > > > things that go wrong, and hardly belongs here, it seems to me. > > > > > > > > > > How often do your calls to ld, mv and rm fail? > > > > That's not the point, the point is that current is a bleeding edge > > thing, not production, and the details should not be hidden, there's no > > possible justification for that. > > Sure there is, in the same manner that we don't use 'cc -v' as the > command line parameters to see *all* the excruciating details of how a > program is compiled. > > The '@' calls are not considered important details, and as such are > hidden. If we include *EVERYTHING* then finding the actual problem is > often much harder due to trying to wade through the noise. > > The '@' commands help to reduce the noise, giving us a better > signal/noise ratio. On a buildworld, Nate? Who's worried about signal to noise there? I could understand if you were talking about boot issues, but this is the listing of a build that breaks on a regular basis. Why are you worried about keeping that listing clean? What possible use is that? Being clean comes into play when you're seeing the same damn thing, day in and day out. When it comes to troubleshooting, and that's the only reason to look at that listing, I want as much detail as I can get. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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