Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:04:08 -0700 From: "Rick Moore" <rick@geckobot.com> To: <freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: RE: Mircosoft doesn't sleep Message-ID: <000401c0ffdb$338b45e0$04fea8c0@patches> In-Reply-To: <3B3B151E.B08ECB74@usco.de>
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Hi! I've been following this mailing list for years as I struggle to build my own company which uses server-side Java extensively. Recently I've come to the realization that FreeBSD, which is marketing itself as more of a server platform, is in big trouble without a binary Java 2 implementation. In fact, I've tried Linux repeatedly for this very reason but it always falls short of FreeBSD in other ways. From my possibly-biased perspective, server-side technology appears to be coalescing into three camps: Microsoft, J2EE, and everything else. Without solid Java 2 (ie stable, binary, and native), it seemed that FreeBSD could lose the server-side Java camp. I don't mean to diminish all the great work you folks have been doing-- under the circumstances you've done a hell of a job, but Free BSD Java 2 just is not in a state that would be acceptable to most companies. This article changes everything, though. I am absolutely floored that it looks like FreeBSD will serve as a platform for the Microsoft camp. This could be really good for FreeBSD in many respects. Like it or not, Microsoft and commercial software still have a huge influence. The attention they will divert to FreeBSD could help bridge the growing gap between FreeBSD and Linux. Most obviously, FreeBSD will be able to support one of the major server side camps and affirm its position as a server platform. Also, Microsoft compiler technology tends to be very good although Intel has helped gcc to some degree. It could also be bad for FreeBSD. Typically the open-source community has been (shall we say) a bit anti-Microsoft. Microsoft is making it look like they are FreeBSD's best friend. At the risk of sounding like a high-school teenager: yikes, what's this going to do to our image? I have to hand it to Microsoft, though: they recognized a golden opportunity and grabbed it. It's hard to say how Sun will react. They might see this as an intrusion into their UNIX domain and get serious about FreeBSD Java. ...or they could see FreeBSD as a casualty or a lost cause. It's laughable that Microsoft will probably use a bunch of "viral" GPL tools to port their code, though. Also, I have to wonder how all the folks used to working on Microsoft platforms would feel about using FreeBSD. Most of the Microsoft fans I know aren't fond of UNIX-- without them Microsoft's efforts could turn into a dud. Microsoft has a way of jumping out of things as fast as it jumps into them. My 2 cents-- thanks for listening. Keep up the excellent work on your Java porting efforts! Rick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Egon Reetz > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 4:30 AM > To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Mircosoft doesn't sleep > > > Despite I don't trust MS anymore, this is a chance of getting > Sun or IBM to port Java to FreeBSD (and maybe > other BSDs as well). In the past MS told everyone how bad (in > every direction) the Linux OS is, so it's no > wonder they choose FreeBSD. I myself prefer Java and will not > use any part of MS's marketing strategies. > > Egon > > Egon Reetz schrieb: > > > Despite I don't trust MS anymore, this is a chance of > getting Sun or IBM to port Java to FreeBSD (and maybe > > > > other BSDs as well). In the past MS told everyone how bad > (in every direction) the Linux OS is, so it's no > > wonder they choose FreeBSD. I myself prefer Java and will > not use any part of MS's marketing strategies. > > > > Egon > > > > mkes@ra.rockwell.com schrieb: > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > Have you seen this - > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2001/06/27/dotnet.html ? > > > > > > It looks like Sun's ignorance concerning support of Java > on BSD platforms opens opportunity for others. > > > > > > Mira > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message
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