Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:34:22 -0700 (PDT) From: worldly BSD <worldlybsd@yahoo.com> To: Kenneth Wayne Culver <culverk@wam.umd.edu> Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: no questions? Message-ID: <20000627173422.5153.qmail@web5304.mail.yahoo.com>
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Kenneth, Thank you very much but the question has been answered. Unfortunately, I was already in the process of re-installing. No worries, it gives me a chance to update/change some stuff around. As for the "jumping down your throat", I think my reply to both the newbies and the questions list addresses this issue. Thank You once again, --- Kenneth Wayne Culver <culverk@wam.umd.edu> wrote: > I didn't see what question you asked.. would you > mind asking me? I don't > know if I'll be able to help but I'm not gonna jump > down your throat the > way some of the people on the lists will.... > > > ================================================================= > | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best NT > upgrade | > | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #: 24767726 > | > | and student at The | AIM: muythaibxr > | > | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under > Construction) | > | College Park. | > http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/| > ================================================================= > > On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, worldly BSD wrote: > > > Rick, > > > > Being that I am the person whom you are bashing, I > > would like to point out a couple of things. > > > > First, I have read, read and read. Such things as, > Man > > pages, Greg's FreeBSD book and the Online > Handbook. I > > do not recall reading where <bash> is the default > > shell ! Second, I am a system administrator <SGI & > > MAC> and I know the importance of "helping > yourself > > BEFORE asking for help". Third, FreeBSD is not > <IMHO> > > an easy OS to install and learn on the fly. It > > requires <again, IMHO> alot of understanding that > may > > or may not come easy to everyone and since there > is > > not as many reading resources as other OS, I > would > > think that the FreeBSD community would welcome new > > users their questions, no matter where they get > > posted. > > > > If the FreeBSD community wants to gain more users > then > > this type of elitist attitude may have to get > shelved. > > Yes, I understand that most people with an elitist > > attitude never see that they have one. > > > > > > > > > > --- Rick Hamell <hamellr@aracnet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >Umm... NO....! This is why questions are not > > > supposed to be asked > > > > >on -newbies. > > > > > > > > I thought -newbies was meant for newbies' > > > questions.. > > > > If not, could anyone, explain to little me, > what's > > > the purpose of it? > > > > > > That is part of the problem. If you read the > First > > > Aid kit post > > > that Sue posts about once a month, it explains > what > > > this group is > > > for. Essentially, questions are meant to be of a > > > 'WHERE' to get > > > help/information for those of us who maybe > taking > > > their first steps into > > > FreeBSD/Unix. -Questions is for HOW questions. > > > For instance, if I ask how to configure IPFW, > that > > > belongs in > > > questions, but if I ask where to find more info, > > > this would be the > > > place. On the same token if I just spent 42 > hours > > > getting my DSL running > > > with Natd and IPFW and want to tell others about > it, > > > this is the > > > place. This is also the place to make > suggestions on > > > how to improve the > > > newbie friendlieness of FreeBSD (though you'll > most > > > likely be told to go > > > ahead and fix it. :) > > > The reason why questions are not answered here > is > > > for the very > > > reason I pointed out yesterday. Newbies haven't > read > > > all the > > > documentation, they've not used the system a lot > > > yet, they've not spent > > > enough time reading -Questions to know what the > > > common problems are. The > > > question I refer to yesterday comes up about > once > > > every two weeks on > > > -questions, and there are step by step > instructions > > > on how to fix that > > > problem. > > > The person who answered was wrong through > simple > > > ignorance, which > > > I grant is not his fault. But if he'd learned a > > > little bit more he would > > > know that BASH is the default shell for root and > > > should never, ever be > > > changed under any Unix system. He was also not > given > > > any useful > > > information on HOW to fix the problem. If that > > > person was say a system > > > admin new to FreeBSD and his job (and company!) > rely > > > upon that system > > > being up... He could possibly lose his job > because > > > he was given the wrong > > > information to attempt to fix a problem. > > > Now, I'm not trying to put anybody down, I > merely > > > wish to > > > preserve this group, it serves a useful purpose > for > > > the Newbie. But if the > > > powers that be see to many questions being > answered > > > here, and worse yet > > > answered wrong, they will remove this group, > > > especially in light of how > > > much trouble it was for Sue and others to create > it > > > in the first place. > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to > majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body > of > > > the message > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body > of the message > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! 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