Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2024 15:05:10 -0700 From: Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com> To: Alexander Burke <alex@alexburke.ca> Cc: "D'Arcy Cain" <darcy@druid.net>, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing Signal Message-ID: <CAN6yY1uNTwgixMV5uf_vaKm7oayYZwc1tgrh1bwLRrZMv%2By4qw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <b2cec7d6-d1bc-47f2-a9e9-84a73a95256c@alexburke.ca> References: <Zrhl8fbGAHQx0s1I@morsing.cc> <D0170118-96AA-4811-B1A2-07163691AAA5@virtual-earth.de> <Zrh3VqVPjXF/j9ll@morsing.cc> <CO1PR11MB47704A968A05465CBBA9D361E6842@CO1PR11MB4770.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <b7754760-fe4a-4c64-b903-42f692326b2a@druid.net> <b2cec7d6-d1bc-47f2-a9e9-84a73a95256c@alexburke.ca>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 1:28 PM Alexander Burke <alex@alexburke.ca> wrote: > If I wanted to be forced to build everything from source, I'd run Gentoo. > > As a donor to the project, it grieves me to say that the lack of > non-outdated packages for tier-1 desktop applications excludes FreeBSD as a > bona fide desktop OS. > > It's a shame. > Non-outdated packages? I run 14.1 on my server and all packages are usually updated at least every other day. Packages are normally built on Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, and Sunday. A full build of all packages takes about 40 hours, though distribution of packages to global mirrors can take as much as two added days. Most builds take less than a day and another day to distribute. That is a LOT more current than packages on Mint. Of course, that means using LATEST packages. QUARTERLY is updated the first day of every quarter, so can get behind by a few months. It's up to you to decide which to use. The base ports which are used to build the packages are a bigger problem, but things like compilers (llvm/gcc/electron/ and major ports like chromium (and related ones like ungoogled Chromium) and firefox are seldom more than a week behind and are sometime in ports before the official release, also better than Mint. Graphics and other ports that a hardware coupled do lag, mostly due to lack of manpower familiar enough with the hardware to maintain quickly can make updates slow. I'll admit that I don't know exactly what counts as a Tier-1 desktop application. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 [-- Attachment #2 --] <div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 1:28 PM Alexander Burke <<a href="mailto:alex@alexburke.ca">alex@alexburke.ca</a>> wrote:</div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">If I wanted to be forced to build everything from source, I'd run Gentoo.<br> <br> As a donor to the project, it grieves me to say that the lack of non-outdated packages for tier-1 desktop applications excludes FreeBSD as a bona fide desktop OS.<br> <br> It's a shame.<br clear="all"></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Non-outdated packages? I run 14.1 on my server and all packages are usually updated at least every other day. Packages are normally built on Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, and Sunday. A full build of all packages takes about 40 hours, though distribution of packages to global mirrors can take as much as two added days. Most builds take less than a day and another day to distribute. That is a LOT more current than packages on Mint. Of course, that means using LATEST packages. QUARTERLY is updated the first day of every quarter, so can get behind by a few months. It's up to you to decide which to use.</div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="gmail_default">The base ports which are used to build the packages are a bigger problem, but things like compilers (llvm/gcc/electron/ and major ports like chromium (and related ones like ungoogled Chromium) and firefox are seldom more than a week behind and are sometime in ports before the official release, also better than Mint. Graphics and other ports that a hardware coupled do lag, mostly due to lack of manpower familiar enough with the hardware to maintain quickly can make updates slow.</div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="gmail_default">I'll admit that I don't know exactly what counts as a Tier-1 desktop application.<br></div></div><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer<br>E-mail: <a href="mailto:rkoberman@gmail.com" target="_blank">rkoberman@gmail.com</a><br></div><div>PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>help
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