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Date:      Fri, 5 Aug 2016 22:19:22 -0700
From:      "K. Macy" <kmacy@freebsd.org>
To:        Adrian Chadd <adrian.chadd@gmail.com>, Michelle Sullivan <michelle@sorbs.net>,  Anna Wilcox <AWilcox@wilcox-tech.com>, freebsd-arch <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>, Marius Strobl <marius@alchemy.franken.de>, Sean Bruno <sbruno@freebsd.org>,  Jordan Hubbard <jkh@mail.turbofuzz.com>, sparc64@freebsd.org, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
Subject:   Re: Sparc64 doesn't care about you, and you shouldn't care about Sparc64
Message-ID:  <CAHM0Q_O37LCou868bk0_LL38V4hbpAzYuO30QL6-hCAq0Lw36A@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <20160805153236.GA16908@funkthat.com>
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>> I'm all for keeping an architecture like sparc around, as long as
>> there's active development and active users. MIPS has both. ARM has
>> both. Powerpc has both. Sparc is missing some active developers, but
>> it has plenty of FreeBSD users that speak up (and more users that only
>> speak up privately.) So, if you want to see sparc64 support continue,
>> this requires a grass roots effort to get more development happening -
>> either users need to step up, or someone has to start contributing
>> money.
>
> If you care, then give donations to the FreeBSD Foundation, and say
> you want/need sparc64 and/or sun4v support...

That isn't how a c3 works. There are plenty of useful functions that
the FF provides. Specifically directing donations is not one of them.


> Or find a developer to pay for the work...  These are the straight
> forward ways to keep sparc64 alive...


This is the only path that's guaranteed success. But it's unlikely
that the user base is going to be able to offset much more than a
small portion of the financial opportunity cost.



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