Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 04:58:20 -0400 From: "George Ramos" <george@durham.net> To: "'Pamela Patterson'" <pamela.p@opendns.biz>, "'Alain Parsons'" <aparsons@abacom.com> Cc: <ispchat@bell.ca>, <julie.taylor@bell.ca>, <julie.allain@bell.ca>, <marc.morin@bell.ca>, <mike.gosselin@bell.ca>, <joanne.page@bell.ca>, <sherwood.flemming@bell.ca>, <leslie.williams@bell.ca>, <ken.white@bell.ca>, <sheila.ward@bell.ca>, <j.steele@bell.ca>, <anita.archambault@bell.ca>, <f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca>, <joelle.picard@bell.ca>, <stephanie.riley@bell.ca>, <diane.cincar@bell.ca>, <list@iip.ca>, <freebsd-isp@freebsd.org>, <caip-members@caip.ca> Subject: RE: Excess Capacity Message-ID: <002401c206ee$fbdf6560$20fea8c0@ddd> In-Reply-To: <013401c2075c$49044f00$91c03b8e@OK>
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You mean, they are happy to sell to us at inflated prices because they don't care if we stay in business or not, Or beter still, they want us out of business? Well, it's possible, this is perhaps one of the main reasons why I think the folks at Bell should be invited into this discussions (at least they will know what our reality is.....) -----Original Message----- From: Pamela Patterson [mailto:pamela.p@opendns.biz] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 6:01 PM To: george@durham.net; 'Alain Parsons' Cc: ispchat@bell.ca; julie.taylor@bell.ca; julie.allain@bell.ca; marc.morin@bell.ca; mike.gosselin@bell.ca; joanne.page@bell.ca; sherwood.flemming@bell.ca; leslie.williams@bell.ca; ken.white@bell.ca; sheila.ward@bell.ca; j.steele@bell.ca; anita.archambault@bell.ca; f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca; joelle.picard@bell.ca; stephanie.riley@bell.ca; diane.cincar@bell.ca; list@iip.ca; freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; caip-members@caip.ca Subject: Re: Excess Capacity This happens after a long day at two keyboards, and 4 monitors. How about this for a comment? Its not in the Telco's best interest to sell at great prices to ISP's. They want it all! Cheers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Ramos" <george@durham.net> To: "'Pamela Patterson'" <pamela.p@opendns.biz>; "'Alain Parsons'" <aparsons@abacom.com> Cc: <ispchat@bell.ca>; <julie.taylor@bell.ca>; <julie.allain@bell.ca>; <marc.morin@bell.ca>; <mike.gosselin@bell.ca>; <joanne.page@bell.ca>; <sherwood.flemming@bell.ca>; <leslie.williams@bell.ca>; <ken.white@bell.ca>; <sheila.ward@bell.ca>; <j.steele@bell.ca>; <anita.archambault@bell.ca>; <f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca>; <joelle.picard@bell.ca>; <stephanie.riley@bell.ca>; <diane.cincar@bell.ca>; <list@iip.ca>; <freebsd-isp@freebsd.org>; <caip-members@caip.ca> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 02:30 Subject: RE: Excess Capacity > I'm sorry Pamela, I don't get your point. I get my pricing from ISPCHAT, > these guys are not fat cat salespeople, they are actuallt our support people > at Bell. > Why would they behave in the fashion that you described?...., I mean, in > theory there is no reason for that... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pamela Patterson [mailto:pamela.p@opendns.biz] > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:44 PM > To: Alain Parsons; George Ramos > Cc: ispchat@bell.ca; julie.taylor@bell.ca; julie.allain@bell.ca; > marc.morin@bell.ca; mike.gosselin@bell.ca; joanne.page@bell.ca; > sherwood.flemming@bell.ca; leslie.williams@bell.ca; ken.white@bell.ca; > sheila.ward@bell.ca; j.steele@bell.ca; anita.archambault@bell.ca; > f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca; joelle.picard@bell.ca; > stephanie.riley@bell.ca; diane.cincar@bell.ca; list@iip.ca; > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; caip-members@caip.ca > Subject: Re: Excess Capacity > > > How many Clec's do you think there are with "Excess Capacity" and marketing > people refusing to sell it ? How many colo's are vacant but, the sales guy > wants that one big sale, so no discounts? We see it all the time. Sales & > Marketing (Price Fixers) have driven many a CLEC to bankruptcy. > > On another note: Tommorrow I think is the day the CRTC is supposed to issue > a ruling on the fee's Clec's pay to ILec's. Should be interesting. > > Pamela Patterson > > * We are Sales Driven - Not Process Driven * > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message
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