Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 20:50:26 -0700 From: Dave Hayes <dave@jetcafe.org> To: Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com> Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? Message-ID: <200209090350.g893oV125883@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org>
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Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com> writes:
> Dave Hayes wrote:
>> > Actually, the claim was for any non-arbitrary group of humanity,
>> > since the specific games in question require a shared Schelling
>> > point to be predictive.
>>
>> What makes a group non-arbitrary and gets them to share a Schelling
>> point?
>
> What makes them non-arbitrary is the fact that they share a Schelling
> point.
It's arbitrary that you've found them to share one.
>> I provided a counter-example, like you wanted, and you tap dance
>> away. Is it any wonder I don't waste the time to prove anything or
>> provide testable evidence?
>
> Nature is not a valid counter example in the domain of designed
> systems.
More of that hand-waving again. Are you sure you aren't on a parade
float?
( See, if you get to define "valid", then we are discussing your
worldview, not any agreed-upon reality. ;) )
> Foo, you are nothing but a charleton!
Quite a compliment coming from the stodgiest "must define everything"
type person. "Good heavens Miss Yakomoto, you're beautiful!"
>> Well, then I was correct even by this definition. Simple vs complex is
>> arbitrary.
>
> Yeah, they are just "arbitrarily" antonyms...
Everything is arbitrary. ;)
>> >> > Why is money required, in your opinion, for someone to be able
>> >> > to act in a professional manner?
>> >>
>> >> Definition of "professional". "Engaging in a given activity as a
>> >> source of livelihood or as a career".
>> >
>> > Why is money required, in your opinion, for someone to be able
>> > to act in a professional manner?
>>
>> Definition of "professional". "Engaging in a given activity as a
>> source of livelihood or as a career".
>>
>> (Hmm, a sloop.)
>
> There's you're problem. You are using definition 2 instead of the
> primary definition.
>
> Professional: characterized by or conforming to the technical or
> ethical standards of a profession.
Look at the definition of "profession", then get back to me.
>> > If the alternative is being burned at the stake for heresy, I
>> > can pretend...
>>
>> See? You aren't willing to give your life for the truth. ;)
>
> I'm willing to give my opponents life for the truth... ;^).
That's not yours to give, but I'll bet you'll find some argument to
justify that. ;)
>> >> > Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "LA LA LA!" at the
>> >> > top of yout lungs doesn't make a problem go away.
>> >>
>> >> Just where did I suggest that? This is nothing like what I am
>> >> suggesting, which is a quick press of a particular key on your
>> >> keyboard. ;)
>> >
>> > "LA LA LA!" <presses key> "I CAN'T READ YOU!"
>>
>> Ah! That "<presses key>" adds an action to your original presentation.
>> In fact, you don't need to sing or shout, you can just <press the key>
>> and get more effective results. |)
>
> Since when isn't sticking your fingers in your ear an action?
It is, however you added <presses key>.
>> >> >> > Something is "proven" to me if it is the simplest explanation which
>> >> >> > fits all the facts.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> These are local maxima.
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, they are. And your point is what? That the correct, but less
>> >> > simple, explanation might get lost in the noise?
>> >>
>> >> The complexity of the solution is irrelevant to it's measured
>> >> effectiveness.
>> >
>> > The effectiveness was granted with the conditional "which fits
>> > all the facts".
>>
>> That conditional is irrelavent to "simple".
>
> Sure it is. It's a modifier on the set of possible explanations.
It's an irrelevant and arbitrary modifier.
------
Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org
>>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<<
"If there is intellegent life in outer space, then they are
undoubtedly using Earth as their insane asylum."
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